Andrew Sheets: Stagflation Demystified

Andrew Sheets: Stagflation Demystified

Investor worries over growth and inflation have revived the term stagflation—but with growth indicators historically solid, is it an accurate description?


----- Transcript -----

Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Andrew Sheets, Chief Cross-Asset Strategist for Morgan Stanley. Along with my colleagues, bringing you a variety of perspectives, I'll be talking about trends across the global investment landscape and how we put those ideas together. It's Friday, October 8th at 2:00 p.m. in London.

Near where I live in London, service stations are out of petrol - or to my fellow Americans, the gas stations are out of gas. In Europe, natural gas prices have roughly tripled in the last three months. Year-over-year, Consumer Price Inflation has risen 5.3% in the United States, 5.8% in Poland, 7.4% in Russia, and 9.7% in Brazil. It's not hard to see why one term seems to come up again and again in our conversations with investors: stagflation.

Stagflation, broadly, is the idea that you get very weak growth, but also higher inflation together. Yet it's equally hard to miss in these conversations that while this term is widely cited, it's often ill defined. If stagflation means the 1970s, a time of wage price spirals and high unemployment, this clearly isn't it. Unemployment is falling around the world, and inflation markets imply pressures will moderate over time, rather than spiral higher.

Market pricing is also very different. Over the last 100 years, the 1970s represented an all-time high in nominal interest rates and an all-time low in equity valuations. Today, it's the opposite. We're near a record low in yields and a record high in those valuations.

Instead, what if we say that stagflation is a period where inflation expectations are rising, and growth is slowing? That's an easier, broader definition to apply, but even that hasn't really been happening.

In the U.S., market expectations for inflation are roughly where they were in early June. U.S. economic data remains solid. The economic data is a little bit more mixed in Europe, but even here, growth indicators generally remain historically strong.

So this clearly isn't a simple story, but we do think there are three takeaways for investors.

First, recall that stagflation was also a very hot market topic in 2004/2005. Growth and markets had bounced back sharply in 2003, but by mid 2004, the rate of change on that growth had started to slow. And then energy prices rose.

By spring 2005, the market started to worry that it could be the worst of both worlds. In April of that year, U.S. consumer price inflation hit 3.5% while measures of growth stalled. Stagflation graced the cover of the Economist magazine and the editorial pages in the New York Times. Equity valuations fell throughout 2004/2005 even as earnings rose, consistent with the current forecast that my colleague Michael Wilson and our U.S. Equity Strategy team.

The second important point is that inflation is already showing up and impacting monetary policy. In just the last three weeks, central banks have increased interest rates by +25bp in New Zealand, +25bp in Russia, +50bp and Peru, +50bp in Poland, +75bp in the Czech Republic and +100bp in Brazil. That's a lot of activity. And all of this is keeping my colleagues busy and also creating opportunity in these markets.

Third, while stagflation means different things to different people, past periods of rising inflation and slowing growth have often had one thing in common: higher energy prices. As such, we think some of the best cross-asset hedges for stagflation lie in the energy space.

The market is very focused on stagflation; it just hasn't quite decided what that term really means. The 1970s are a long way away from our expectations or market pricing. Scenarios of slower growth and rising inflation clash with our economic forecasts of, well, the opposite. And recent moves in inflation expectations and other growth indicators don't fit this story as nicely as one would otherwise think.

Instead, we think investors should focus on three things: 2005 is an interesting and rather recent example of a stagflation scare after a mid-cycle transition. Inflation is impacting central banks, creating movement and opportunity. And finally, the energy sector provides a potentially useful hedge against scenarios where the current disruption is more persistent. Now, with that out of the way, I'm off to find some petrol.

Thanks for listening. Subscribe to Thoughts on the Market on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen and leave us a review. We'd love to hear from you.

Avsnitt(1515)

Michael Zezas: The Story Behind Falling Bond Yields

Michael Zezas: The Story Behind Falling Bond Yields

On today’s podcast, Head of U.S. Public Policy and Municipal Strategy Michael Zezas explains how the challenges facing U.S. farmers can provide insight on the current bond market.

14 Aug 20192min

Mike Wilson: Navigating the Q3 Dog Days

Mike Wilson: Navigating the Q3 Dog Days

On today’s podcast, Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson identifies several catalysts that could drive increased Q3 volatility. Are markets still facing a correction this quarter?

12 Aug 20193min

Andrew Sheets: Can Central Banks Keep Up with Market Expectations?

Andrew Sheets: Can Central Banks Keep Up with Market Expectations?

On today’s podcast, Chief Cross Asset Strategist Andrew Sheets looks at how the expectations markets are placing on central banks, as much as the actions of the banks themselves, are affecting outcomes.

9 Aug 20193min

Michael Zezas: The Potential Impact of Lasting Tariffs

Michael Zezas: The Potential Impact of Lasting Tariffs

On this episode, Head of Public Policy Research Michael Zezas walks investors through the current impasse on U.S.-China trade. How might new tariffs heighten downside risks for the U.S. economy?

7 Aug 20192min

Mike Wilson: Markets Face a “Sell the News” Moment

Mike Wilson: Markets Face a “Sell the News” Moment

On today’s podcast, Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson asks whether the Fed rate cut and reemergence of trade tensions rattled markets or simply revealed the possibility of deteriorating fundamentals.

5 Aug 20193min

Andrew Sheets:  The Fed’s Great Expectations Quandary

Andrew Sheets: The Fed’s Great Expectations Quandary

On today's podcast, Markets met the Fed rate cut with a collective shrug. Could investor expectations make it harder for the Fed to succeed? Chief Cross-Asset Strategist Andrew Sheets provides analysis.

2 Aug 20193min

Michael Zezas: Trade Uncertainty and Corporate Confidence

Michael Zezas: Trade Uncertainty and Corporate Confidence

On today’s podcast, Head of U.S. Public Policy Michael Zezas examines how continued trade policy uncertainty is weighing on corporate confidence and spending. Is a turning point ahead?

31 Juli 20192min

Mike Wilson: Will the Fed Surprise on a Rate Cut?

Mike Wilson: Will the Fed Surprise on a Rate Cut?

On today’s podcast, Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson gauges the reaction to a potential Wednesday Fed rate cut. Have markets already priced in any rally?

29 Juli 20193min

Populärt inom Business & ekonomi

badfluence
framgangspodden
varvet
rss-jossan-nina
rss-borsens-finest
uppgang-och-fall
rss-svart-marknad
lastbilspodden
avanzapodden
fill-or-kill
affarsvarlden
24fragor
rss-kort-lang-analyspodden-fran-di
borsmorgon
rss-dagen-med-di
rss-inga-dumma-fragor-om-pengar
kapitalet-en-podd-om-ekonomi
bathina-en-podcast
rss-en-rik-historia
montrosepodden