20VC: Inside Coatue's $70BN Machine: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

Lucas Swisher co-leads the growth fund at Coatue where he has partnered with iconic companies like OpenAI, Harvey, Deel, Canva, Openevidence, Anthropic, and others. Prior to Coatue, he was on the investment team at Kleiner Perkins, where he focused on growth stage software businesses.

AGENDA:

04:23 Why Public SaaS Is Getting Crushed in the AI Wave

06:01 How to Find Value in the Deluge of Public SaaS

10:34 Durability of Revenue in AI

17:42 Market Size vs. Founder Quality: What Wins?

19:04 Why Price is the Last Thing to Matter

24:58 Mega-Funds Math: Can $5B+ Funds Still Generate Venture Returns?

28:04 What Returns Are 'Enough'? Why 3x Isn't Exciting at Growth

30:34 When Double-Downs Go Wrong: Overestimating TAM and Multi-Product Expansion

33:03 Margin Matters… But at Scale: AI Gross Margins, Cost Curves & Efficiency

36:42 Why it has never been harder to be a seed investor

39:25 Is 'Kingmaking' a Myth: When Capital Helps (and When It Hurts)

44:12 Is Canva Really a Platform Company? Multi S-Curves and Leaning into AI Early

46:05 Lessons from Mary Meeker: Modeling, Storytelling with Data, and Not Missing the Forest

48:27 Lessons from Mamoon Hamid: Spotting Inflection Points with Minimal Data (Figma Story)

49:54 LP 'Pick One' Games: Mamoon Hamid, Mary Meeker, Insight Partners

51:41 OpenAI vs Anthropic: Who Wins?

56:52 Most Memorable Founder Meeting: Harvey and Founder-Market Fit

59:00 Career Decisions & Misses: Leaving Insight, Missing Anduril, and Looking Ahead