Deconstructing Before it was Cool, The Case for Bi-Vocational Pastors, & Being Quirky Christian feat. Elias Dummer

In this week's podcast, Joel gets the wonderful chance to talk with Elias Dummer (The City Harmonic) about his history with Deconstruction, what the past few years were like for him as an artist/pastor/business owner, etc., and what motivates him as a content creator and musician now after all these years. The outro is "So Real" by Natural State