Author and academic Joel Kotkin talks to Quillette's Toby Young about the pandemic and its riotous aftermath

Joel Kotkin, executive director of the Urban Reform Institute and author of The Coming of Neo-Feudalism, talks to Toby Young about the effect of the coronavirus pandemic on American cities and the rioting that broke out following the death of George Floyd. Joel recently wrote about this in a piece entitled Pandemics and Pandemonium for Quillette. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices