372: The Science Behind Spontaneous Fermentation
Cider Chat28 Kesä 2023

372: The Science Behind Spontaneous Fermentation

Cider and Spontaneous Fermentation

The wild "ambient" yeast found on apples, in the air, on cider presses can all contribute to a spontaneous fermentation within the cider must, which is the juice that has been freshly pressed from a fruit such as apples or grapes and is fermenting. In this episode we hear from Hugues Guichard, who works at the Institut Français des Productions Cidricoles a research institute focusing on cider based in Normandy, France.

Hugues presented this lecture at CiderCon 2023, which is hosted by the American Cider Association.

Hugues Guichard at CiderCon 2023

Allowing a cider to go through a full spontaneous fermentation successfully is a growing trend within the industry as consumer continue to seek "natural" ciders. Hugues provides a complete overview of the French cider industry and the science behind spontaneous ferments.

  • Subscribe to the Cider Chat YouTube Channel to be notified when the audio of this lecture synced with the power point slide show goes live to the public.
  • Become a Patreon and view video now
In this lecture
  • Part I: French Cider Industry and IFPC
  • Part II: French Cider ProcessingCider Apples and Harvest
    • Possible contamination by spoiling microorganisms

  • Clarification
  • Fermentation
  • Maturation
  • Bottling
  • Conclusion
Yeast mentioned in this presentation
  • Hanseniaspora is a genus of yeasts, when there is no sulphites in the must
  • Mechnikowia pulcherrima (Mp)

    • On apple and in must (often high population)

    • no development in anaerobioses

  • Hanseniaspora valbyensys (Hv) - apiculate yeast

    • On apple and in must, growth in must

    • 1 to 2 weeks then decreases

    • Sensibility to SO2

  • Saccharomyces uvarum (Su): fermentative yeast

Bacterias and yeasts in ciders that can create off flavors

  • Acetic acid bacteria (Acetobacter). Often described at Volatile Acidity (VA) which lends a vinegary taste to the cider

  • Zymomonas mobilis (bacteria). off flavors such as rotten banana, vegetal aromas. There may be a haze formation, high pressure in bottles, and excessive foaming

  • Secundilactobacillus collinoïdes - lactic acid spoilage

  • Brettanomyces anomala - Volatile phenol

Begin with cidermaking best practices

As expected best practices for all fermentation including a spontaneous fermentation require

  • Clean Fruit
  • Hygiene in the cidery
  • Temperature control

Contact for Hugues Guichard

Mentions in this Chat

Jaksot(499)

496: Liberty Ciderworks | Spokane, WA

496: Liberty Ciderworks | Spokane, WA

Liberty Ciderworks in Spokane, Washington is an urban cidery focused on traditional methods. While located in the city, their cider reflects deep agricultural roots. Cider maker and founder Rick Hast...

25 Maalis 56min

495: Cider Barrels Speak | Bâtonnage & Barrel Aging

495: Cider Barrels Speak | Bâtonnage & Barrel Aging

In this archive episode of Cider Chat, we go in a barrel cellar in Prince Edward County, Ontario, with Ryan Monkman of FieldBird Cider and Lee Baker of Keint-He Winery. Listening to Fermentation What ...

18 Maalis 58min

494: Humboldt Cider and the Historic Orchard of Albert Etter

494: Humboldt Cider and the Historic Orchard of Albert Etter

In this episode of Cider Chat, we hear from Tom Hart of Humboldt Cider Company, located in Eureka, California along the rugged Pacific coastline behind what locals call the Redwood Curtain. We also di...

11 Maalis 1h

493: Cider as a Sport | Sidra in Asturias (Archive Edition)

493: Cider as a Sport | Sidra in Asturias (Archive Edition)

What is Asturian cider? Asturian cider (sidra natural) is a traditionally fermented apple cider from Asturias, Spain, served through a high pour (escanciado) and shared socially in small servings c...

4 Maalis 55min

492: Absolem Cider Company | Maine Cider Energy

492: Absolem Cider Company | Maine Cider Energy

This episode of Cider Chat explores the growing Maine cider scene through Absolem Cider Company in Winthrop, a farm-based cidery helping shape New England's evolving cider identity. Located on a 60-a...

25 Helmi 52min

491: Revisiting Randall Grahm | Cider Exploration Without Hesitation

491: Revisiting Randall Grahm | Cider Exploration Without Hesitation

An early conversation that explored possibilities cider was only beginning to consider. As Cider Chat moves toward its 500th episode, we revisit conversations from the earliest seasons, taking a long ...

18 Helmi 53min

490: Let Cider Lead

490: Let Cider Lead

An editorial on leadership, scarcity, and why cider no longer needs to borrow authority from beer or wine. In Let Cider Lead, host Ria Windcaller steps back from interviews to offer a clear-eyed refl...

11 Helmi 22min

489: Natural Cider Production Seminar | CiderCon 2025

489: Natural Cider Production Seminar | CiderCon 2025

Natural cider is often misunderstood as funky, volatile, or flawed. Recorded live at CiderCon 2025, this seminar reframes natural cider as a philosophy of low intervention, balance, and intentional ca...

4 Helmi 1h 10min

Suosittua kategoriassa Yhteiskunta

olipa-kerran-otsikko
siita-on-vaikea-puhua
kaksi-aitia
gogin-ja-janin-maailmanhistoria
i-dont-like-mondays
uutiscast
joku-tietaa-jotain-2
poks
antin-palautepalvelu
kolme-kaannekohtaa
mamma-mia
aikalisa
sita
yopuolen-tarinoita-2
rss-murhan-anatomia
lahko
rss-nikotellen
meidan-pitais-puhua
rss-palmujen-varjoissa
ootsa-kuullut-tasta-2