Foes to Friends: Cold War British and East German Tank crew together in conversation (379)

Join our East-West tank crew reunion that offers a rare glimpse into the lives of those who served on opposite sides of the Iron Curtain. The episode features Al and Mick, former Chieftain tank crew members from the British Army, alongside Dag, an ex-East German T72 tank commander. Together, they delve into their personal experiences, providing insights into the military strategies, challenges, and camaraderie that defined their service during the Cold War. As the discussion unfolds, the trio explores the intricacies of military life, from the training regimes and unit cohesion to the technical specifications of their respective tanks. Dag provides an intriguing account of the T72's capabilities, highlighting its strengths and limitations. Meanwhile, Al and Mick reflect on their experiences with the Chieftain tank, offering a Western perspective on tank warfare during the Cold War. The episode is punctuated with personal anecdotes and reflections, adding depth and humanity to the historical narrative. Dag's candid admission of his reluctance to serve at the border and his refusal to shoot at defectors offers a poignant reminder of the moral complexities faced by those in uniform. Similarly, Al and Mick's recollections of training exercises and the camaraderie among their fellow soldiers highlight the bonds forged in service. Related episodes: Crewing the Cold War Chieftain tank https://pod.fo/e/155bb4 Cold War Chieftain tank deployment at the East German Border https://pod.fo/e/157641 The East German Tank Commander https://pod.fo/e/210cee Episode extras here including Dag's vehicle recognition manual https://coldwarconversations.com/episode379/ The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history. Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/ If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, we welcome one-off donations via the same link. Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/ Follow us on BlueSky https://bsky.app/profile/coldwarpod.bsky.social Follow us on Threads https://www.threads.net/@coldwarconversations Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPod Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/ Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversations Love history? Join Intohistory https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod 00:00 Introduction 02:35 How do you become an East German Tank commander? 07:28 Selection and training for British tank crew 08:51 Were you selected for the East German border guards? 12:39 Differences in training areas and exercises 18:20 Unit cohesion - differences between conscript and professional armies 21:42 Enemy vehicle recognition 24:17 Benefits of a professional army and all arms training in Canada 28:30 Doctrines of each army - defence vs attack 31:00 Change of East German doctrine to a defensive posture 33:55 Plan to Attack Poland in 1981 38:10 If the East German army had crossed the West German border 43:02 Challenges of breaking through the border fortifications 45:03 East German view of the Soviets 51:26 What was the T72 like to operate? 56:44 Benefits of Chieftain's thermal imaging system 59:52 Training of the Chieftain crew if the thermal imaging system failed. 01:04:57 The British Army's secret weapons - the boiling vessel 01:09:51 Refuelling & ammunition replenishment 01:14:34 T72 autoloader 01:19:13 T72 snorkel 01:25:14 Final comments between the crews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices