20VC: Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger: Where Will Value Be Created in a World of AI | Have Foundation Models Commoditized | When Do Model Providers Become Application Providers | What Anthropic Learned from Deepseek

Mike Krieger is the Co-Founder of Instagram and now CPO @ Anthropic.

In Today's Episode with Mike Krieger We Discuss:

03:07 Where Will Value Be Created and Sustained in a World of AI?

04:59 Are Foundation Models Commoditised Today?

08:36 Should Founders Build for the Models of Today or Build for Models of the Future

12:19: Why Will Models Become More Different Than More Similar

16:38: Will Human or Synthetic Data Be More Prominent in the Future

19:28 Model Quality vs. Product UX

23:36 The Competitive Landscape of AI

32:27 Do We Underestimate China's AI Capabilities

33:59 What Did Anthropic Learn from Deepseek

34:07 Is Deepseek a Sustaining and Credible Threat?

37:04 Transitioning from Model Provider to Application Provider

38:26 Where Has Anthropic Chronically Under-Invested

39:08 Why Has Anthropic Been Slow On Consumer Product Development

43:50 What is the Role of a Software Developer in the Future

48:29 Balancing API and Consumer Products

51:09 Is Europe Stronger or Weaker in a World of AI

52:40 Quickfire Round: Insights and Reflections