204. The 4 Horsemen of Meaning | Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau

204. The 4 Horsemen of Meaning | Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau

This episode was recorded on September 10th 2021. Jordan Peterson, Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau have a round table to explore ideas and theories of Meaning. All three guests have been on the podcast before, and all share Jordan’s passion for the universal truths of human experience. This deep discussion explores the roots of Meaning and religious significance. Bishop Barron is the founder of Word on Fire and the auxiliary bishop of the archdiocese of LA. John Vervaeke is a colleague of Jordan’s and an associate professor at the University of Toronto since 1994. He teaches courses on reasoning, cognitive development, and higher cognitive processes. Jonathan Pageau is a symbolic thinker, YouTuber, and class carver of orthodox icons. - Find more Bishop Barron on YouTube: https://youtube.com/user/wordonfirevideo And here: https://wordonfire.org/ Find more John Vervaeke online on his website: http://johnvervaeke.com John's YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCpqDUjTsof-kTNpnyWper_Q Find more Jonathan Pageau on YouTube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQ Jonathan's website: http://www.pageaucarvings.com _________ [00:00] Preview [01:30] Intro [02:40] Everyone gives their answer to “What is meaning?” [03:30] “We're using meaning as a metaphor... something similar to the way a sentence works. It has intelligibility to it that connects us to the world... so that we can interact and be informed by it” Jon Vervaeke [07:22] “Our mental framing is transparent like a pair of glasses, but there are times we need to step back and, by taking the glasses off and examining them, consider our framing structure" JV [09:10] “When you look at the world there is a central point of focus. When you focus on the point with your eyes it becomes very clear... until we no longer perceive anything by the edge of our vision. It's nothingness, it's just not there" Jordan Peterson [13:56] Bishop Barron's view on meaning and religion [14:23] “I would say that meaning is to be in a purposeful relationship to a value" Bishop Robert Barron [17:55] “So I'm talking to you, which I believe is a good, but it's nested in a higher good and a still higher good, so finally I want not just this particular good but good itself—that's a religious relationship" BRB [18:20] Pageau’s opening thoughts on meaning and religion [19:56] “The reason we perceive hierarchy is because we are always judging... or trying to evaluate whether something’s good" Pageau [20:31] Jordan’s brief foray into “mini-celebrations” [21:53] The idea of revelation [24:46] “It isn't obvious to me that we see objects—we see patterns" JP [27:40] “Like a Rolling Stone—it wasn't the first song I liked, but it was the first that rocked my world and rearranged my mind, and I think that's where real value is" BRB [28:42] Underlying causes of the crisis of meaning [30:10] “Something that starts with Scotus... and goes into the heart of the scientific revolution is that there’s no such thing as levels—reality just is" JV [31:00] Science around the hierarchy of intelligibility and connectedness [33:00] What is science? [39:00] “There’s an epistemic hierarchy and science does not belong on the top" BRB [42:00] “As scientists, we are motivated by a narrative we don't understand scientifically… The whole enterprise is driven by a dream whose reality can't be encapsulated within the process itself" JP [44:00] The ignorance in assuming science OR religion are correct [44:40] Eminationist ontologies [55:30] Religious experiences [01:07:30] The book of Revelations as a psychedelic experience. [01:17:30] The Psychedelic problem and why psychedelics are useful in communal experiences. [01:26:00] Jordan’s biblical lectures [01:32:00] What are the guests working on? [01:36:00] Beauty in churches [01:38:00] Growing up Christian [01:44:00] Possibility is real [01:50:00] Joining religion and science [02:03:30] Wrapping up #Meaning #Psychology #Religion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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567. Five Great Moments From Behind the Paywall

567. Five Great Moments From Behind the Paywall

Join Dr. Peterson for five standout moments from behind the DW+ paywall: Megyn Kelly reflects on motherhood, IVF, and the need for cultural matchmaking beyond Tinder; Michael Saylor makes the case for Bitcoin as decentralized economic sovereignty and outlines its political rise; Dr. Gary Nolan discusses extraterrestrial life, unprocessed UAP data, and what orbs might reveal; Douglas Murray joins Jordan to explore the theological foundations of Western civilization, Islam’s internal crisis, and the meaning of voluntary sacrifice; and Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen breaks down the complex genetic and social factors behind autism’s rising diagnoses and unique cognitive strengths. Subscribe to DailyWire+ so you don’t miss a single interview! http://dwpluspeterson.com/yt In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+. Have a question you’d like to ask? Share your story here: dailywire.com/answerthecall | Sponsors | Fatty15: Get an additional 15% off your 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to https://fatty15.com/PETERSON and using code PETERSON at checkout. SelectQuote: Get the right life insurance for YOU, for LESS, and save more than 50% at https://selectquote.com/peterson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

17 Marras 20251h 2min

572. Navigating Education, Ideology, and Children | Answer the Call

572. Navigating Education, Ideology, and Children | Answer the Call

Dr. Peterson discusses education challenges, praising homeschooling over the flawed K-12 system, exploring new learning models, and stressing critical thinking in a world dominated by low-attention span media environments. He also highlights the importance of teacher passion, character development, and guiding young adults toward responsibility and purpose. Would you like to join the show? Share a question here: dailywire.com/answerthecall (The views expressed on "Answer The Call" are presented for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes, and are not intended as medical, nutritional, or psychological advice. Viewers are strongly encouraged to consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any decisions based on the content presented.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

17 Marras 202559min

571. Master Relationships and Improve Your Dating Life | Answer the Call

571. Master Relationships and Improve Your Dating Life | Answer the Call

Dr. Peterson answers caller questions on marriage and family, offering practical advice on how to support your spouse, navigate parenting challenges, overcome the impact of past relationships, and balance multicultural influences. His guidance helps build strong, lasting marriages grounded in patience and understanding. Would you like to join the show? Share a question here: dailywire.com/answerthecall (The views expressed on "Answer The Call" are presented for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes, and are not intended as medical, nutritional, or psychological advice. Viewers are strongly encouraged to consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any decisions based on the content presented.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

14 Elo 202554min

570. How You Should Deal with Stress and Tragedy | Answer the Call

570. How You Should Deal with Stress and Tragedy | Answer the Call

Callers share tragedies: cancer, addiction, loss, and more. Dr. Peterson offers profound advice on navigating suffering with faith, family support, and practical strategies for overcoming the darkest moments life throws at us. He emphasizes finding strength and gratitude even in the darkest times. Would you like to join the show? Share a question here: dailywire.com/answerthecall (The views expressed on "Answer The Call" are presented for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes, and are not intended as medical, nutritional, or psychological advice. Viewers are strongly encouraged to consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any decisions based on the content presented.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

11 Elo 202557min

569. Family Conflicts, Difficult Children & Overcoming Resentment | Answer The Call

569. Family Conflicts, Difficult Children & Overcoming Resentment | Answer The Call

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is joined by his daughter Mikhaila Fuller as they address listener questions on having children, understanding women, how to help your wife through motherhood, navigating and avoiding resentment, dealing with family conflict and more. We hope you enjoy it. Would you like to join the show? Share a question here: dailywire.com/answerthecall (The views expressed on "Answer The Call" are presented for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes, and are not intended as medical, nutritional, or psychological advice. Viewers are strongly encouraged to consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any decisions based on the content presented.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

7 Elo 20251h 9min

568. Advice for Dealing with Bullies, Big Tech and Social Media | Answer the Call

568. Advice for Dealing with Bullies, Big Tech and Social Media | Answer the Call

The views expressed on "Answer The Call" are presented for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes, and are not intended as medical, nutritional, or psychological advice. Viewers are strongly encouraged to consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any decisions based on the content presented. How do you raise strong kids in a distracted, digital world full of bullying? Dr. Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila take calls on bullying, social media, dating apps, and how parents can help kids resist the algorithm, build real resilience, and face modern challenges with confidence and clarity. Have a question you’d like to ask? Share your story here: dailywire.com/answerthecall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

4 Elo 202556min

566. The Meaning Of: There’s No Such Thing as a Dragon

566. The Meaning Of: There’s No Such Thing as a Dragon

In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+.   Have a question you’d like to ask? Share your story here: dailywire.com/answerthecall   What happens when you ignore a dragon? Dr. Jordan B. Peterson reads and analyzes “There’s No Such Thing as a Dragon” by Jack Kent, exploring its psychological and mythological depth. Using the children’s story as a springboard, Peterson unpacks themes of willful blindness, familial dysfunction, and the archetypal hero’s journey. He draws connections to ancient Egyptian mythology, the Exodus narrative, and the crucifixion of Christ—arguing that dragons—both literal and symbolic—grow when we refuse to confront them. If you’ve ever wondered what a kid’s book has to do with the fate of your household, your children, or your soul—this is the lecture for you.   This episode was filmed on June 28th, 2025 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

28 Heinä 202546min

565. Unlocking the Hidden Power Of Body Language | Vanessa Van Edwards

565. Unlocking the Hidden Power Of Body Language | Vanessa Van Edwards

In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+.   Have a question you’d like to ask? Share your story here: dailywire.com/answerthecall   In this episode, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with behavioral researcher and bestselling author Vanessa Van Edwards to unpack the secret language of nonverbal communication. From the handshake that builds trust to the subtle cues that sabotage careers, they explore how posture, eye contact, tone, and gesture shape perception—often before a single word is spoken. Drawing on Vanessa’s research and her own journey as a “recovering awkward person” turned master communicator, the conversation spans job interviews, power dynamics, mirroring, charisma, and how to read a room at its most fundamental level. Learn why neck ratios matter, vocal fry backfires, and presence begins long before you speak.   This episode was filmed on July 16th, 2025     | Links |   For Vanessa Van Edwards   On X https://x.com/vvanedwards?lang=en   The Science of People website https://www.scienceofpeople.com/   Read “Cues: Master the Secret Language of Charismatic Communication” https://a.co/d/2ZODCds  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

24 Heinä 20251h 40min

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