H&D on Prime Teaser: the Draymond Suspension and Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs

H&D on Prime Teaser: the Draymond Suspension and Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs

Why John would have suspended Draymond, and why Nate wouldn’t have. Plus, the Thursday Daily Duncs.

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Thursday Daily Duncs (10/13/22)

Patrick Beverley-Russell Westbrook

Something or nothing? In the Lakers' preseason loss to the Timberwolves yesterday, Patrick Beverley tried to bring his floormates together during a stoppage. Russell Westbrook didn't join.

As much as Beverley has talked up his fast friendship with Westbrook now that they're teammates in Los Angeles, there are many years of them being nemeses.

But I'm going with nothing.

Westbrook, who was called for a foul on the preceding play, might have been talking to a referee. Though resisting Beverley's continued attempts to wave him into the huddle, Westbrook high-fived Beverley while taking his spot outside the paint. By that time, Westbrook might have thought he was too late to huddle and it was time for the free throw.

Mostly, it's the high-five that does it for me. That's a key piece of evidence people overly thirsty for Lakers drama are overlooking

Draymond Green

The Warriors didn't suspend Draymond Green for punching Jordan Poole in the face.

Why not?

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN:

I'm told that the Warriors, they put a significant amount of weight on the fact that opening night was ring night, that the players are going to get their rings. Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Steph Curry – their fourth championship in Golden State. The banner is going to be raised. They did not treat this like it was one of 82. They didn't want to suspend Draymond Green and keep him from that. Now, if this incident had happened in the regular season or if this had just been a normal opening night and they weren't there as defending champions, there probably would've been a suspension for Draymond Green.

This strikes me as reasonable. Green was integral to the Warriors winning the championship. The ring-and-banner ceremony is a uniquely special moment in celebrating that massive accomplishment.

There are two, overlapping questions about how Golden State should have punished Green: How severe should the punishment have been? What punishment is appropriate? You can think Green deserved a harsher penalty than he got while believing suspending him for ring night wouldn't have been a fitting punishment.

My problem with the logic, though: Why didn't the Warriors just suspend Green for their previous two preseason games (which he missed anyway while away from the team) and maybe their last preseason game tomorrow (which he'll probably play in)? If Golden State wanted to send a message of a suspension while allowing Green to attend ring night, that would have been an easy middle ground.

Instead, the Warriors went out of their way to say Green's weeklong absence wasn't a suspension.

Jeanie Buss

Rich Eisen asked Lakers owner Jeannie Buss who's in her inner circle.

Buss:

“People are fascinated with that for some reason. I could ask you, do you ever ask Mark Cuban who his inner circle is? Or Joe Lacob who his inner circle is? There’s just something about being a woman I think people feel like, ‘Oh, what crutches does she need, or what does she lean on, because she’s not capable of doing it herself.’ I have great people that I work with. People seem most interested in Linda Rambis, who I’ve been working with for over 30 years. I’ve operated in the same style since I started working with the organization and, even before that, with the Great Western Forum putting on events. And I build – I’m a leader. I’m not a dictator. I like to build consensus. I like to hear from everybody at the table. And then ultimately people need to understand, I’m the governor of the team, and I’m held accountable for every decision that’s made both business and basketball. So if anything goes wrong, it’s on my watch, and I’m held accountable for it.”

People are fascinated with Buss' inner circle because they care about the Lakers. People caring so deeply about the Lakers has made Buss a lot of money, by the way. The franchise has made numerous questionable-at-best decisions, and people are so invested in the team, they want to understand who's behind those decisions.

There has been major interest in the Mavericks' power structure under Mark Cuban. Ditto the Warriors under Joe Lacob, though winning breeds contentment. The Lakers can't just tell fans to relax and trust the front office.

What does Buss mean when she says she's held accountable for the Lakers' decisions? She's not at risk of losing her position. She'll suffer the financial losses (or, more accurately, lesser financial gains). But she can just try again next time. As the Robert Sarver situation showed, owners are – in many ways – above accountability.

People in basketball operations usually aren't.

Unless they operate in the shadows of Jeanie Buss' inner circle. In that case, they're fairly well shielded.

Damian Lillard

Trail Blazers star Damian Lillard revealed more about his 2021 offseason meeting with LeBron James and Anthony Davis at LeBron's house in Los Angeles.

Lillard, via Logan Murdock of The Ringer:

“Like, man, what if that happened? What if I did go? I thought about it. At that point, I was thinking about a lot of things.”

Lillard added: “I was like, ‘If I’m going to ever look at a different situation than mine, I’m going to look at one where I know I’m going to have a great chance to win.’”

Lillard landed where he always does: loyal to Portland. I think it's cool Lillard has his own values and continues to stick with them. There are obviously temptations to join better teams.

However, I'm not sure the Lakers had enough ammo to trade for Lillard. Maybe if he demanded a trade specifically to Los Angeles. Maybe. But it's tough to imagine how the Trail Blazers would've reacted to something so out of character.

Lillard's meeting with LeBron and Davis at LeBron's house sounds similar to Russell Westbrook's meeting with LeBron and Davis at LeBron's house. The Lakers, of course, traded for Westbrook that summer.

Tyler Herro

The Heat signed Tyler Herro to a four-year, $120 million contract extension. (The deal could theoretically be worth $130 million with incentives. Emphasis on theoretically.)

Want an idea how these negotiations unfold (beyond just listening to our annual Mock Rookie Extensions podcast, of course)?

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald:

Herro said Tuesday that the Heat made its initial extension offer on July 1, the first day that he became eligible for one. The first offer was four years, $100 million, Herro said.

The Heat, over the ensuing weeks, raised the offer to “like $112 [million], then $120 [million] and then $130” million, factoring in potential incentives, Herro said.

The significance of the Heat offering Herro an extension July 1: That shows they wanted to keep him rather than use him in a trade for someone like Kevin Durant or Donovan Mitchell. Once he signed the extension, Herro counts at his actual 2022-23 salary outgoing in a trade but the average of his salaries in 2022-23 and the four seasons of the extension outgoing.

Simply, trading Herro became far more complicated with the extension – a burden Miami wouldn't have accepted if wanting to trade Herro. The Heat were apparently willing to accept that limitation as early as July 1.

Andre Drummond

Bulls center Andre Drummond has made 3-of-4 3-pointers this preseason.

Like many centers, Drummond relishes opportunities to play like a guard. With the Pistons, Stan Van Gundy did the best job satisfying Drummond's desire to touch the ball more often, having the center serve as a passing hub from the high post. Drummond was actually good at that. Forays into shooting have been more erratic.

Drummond tried to make himself a threat from beyond the arc his last season-and-a-half in Detroit, but he connected on just 6-of-59 triples (10%).

Maybe this will be different.

If not, Chicago could again tap Drummond's passing. Already an offense not defined by traditional positional roles, the Bulls are down a playmaker with point guard Lonzo Ball injured.

Zach Lowe

Zach Lowe of ESPN published the top 10 of his annual League Pass Rankings.

The most watchable team: the Brooklyn Nets. And on some nights, I totally agree. They have the lure of massive untapped upside – or the possibility of spectacular failure. But when Kyrie Irving is out, there just isn't the same appeal (in either direction).

The safer pick is Lowe's second choice: the Golden State Warriors. Their chemistry is under the microscope after Draymond Green punched Jordan Poole. Plus, not only do the Warriors play a well-established enjoyable style of basketball, they're trying to integrate several intriguing youngsters, creating a compelling present-vs.-future debate.

Patrick Ewing

Georgetown posted an enjoyable video of Patrick Ewing watching his current Hoyas players trying to name 90s Knicks by pictures. Considering these Georgetown players weren't even born when Ewing last played for New York, I thought they did pretty well. But it is fun to watch them struggle.

For anyone – Hoya or otherwise – wanting to brush up on their 90s Knicks, I recommend "Blood in the Garden" by Chris Herring.

Sacramento Kings

The Kings installed a bell in their practice facility to honor certain overlooked plays. Harrison Barnes earned the first ring by taking a charge. But when someone hit the bell, it broke.

Classic Kangz.

They have since replaced the bell.

Trey Murphy III

Speaking of bloopers, Pelicans forward Trey Murphy III broke up Kyle Lowry's hit-ahead pass to Bam Adebayo – right off the backboard into New Orleans' own basket. Adebayo quickly raised his hand to claim credit for the bucket, which he was entitled to as the closest Heat player.

-Dan Feldman

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Not Going Kawhietly

Not Going Kawhietly

John weighs in on the Kawhi Leonard no-show contract that has the LA Clippers in hot water. He and Nate discuss the next steps for the league and possible avenues for this saga to turn down as the league investigates.Then, we catch up on the latest news including Cam Thomas taking his qualifying offer, PJ Washington extending, and Max Strus breaking his foot in Cleveland. Dunc'd On Prime is the only place to get every episode with Nate & Danny, plus every pod with John Hollinger & Nate as well! DuncdOn.SupportingCast.FM Subscribe on YouTube to see our hilarious faces and, more importantly, see the key moments from the pod each week.Or, sign up for our FREE mailing list to get Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs with all the major topics around the league twice a week.

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2024 Re-Draft; More Summer League Awards; How Many Will OKC Win?

2024 Re-Draft; More Summer League Awards; How Many Will OKC Win?

John Hollinger & Nate Duncan take a look back at the 2024 NBA Draft after Summer League and redraft the top-10 picks. Where does #1 overall pick Zaccharie Risacher land? How about RoY Stephon Castle? What does Nate think of his top tier Reed Sheppard and Alex Sarr a year on? Which guys have moved up a lot?Then we give out a few more of our fake awards from Summer League, and attempt to answer the question of how many more championships OKC will win with this core? Dunc'd On Prime is the only place to get every episode with Nate & Danny, plus every pod with John Hollinger & Nate as well! DuncdOn.SupportingCast.FM Subscribe on YouTube to see our hilarious faces and, more importantly, see the key moments from the pod each week.Or, sign up for our FREE mailing list to get Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs with all the major topics around the league twice a week.

25 Elo 53min

Summer League Superlatives

Summer League Superlatives

John and Nate pick their standouts from summer league in the following categories:Who will be the best rookie this year, and who will have the best career?Who changed your opinion the most for the better?Most disappointing player?“I nailed this one,” guys who looked exactly like we thought they wouldWho are you worried about?Best defensive player?Best rookie in the 2nd half of the first round?Best “sleeper,” 2nd round or undrafted?Premature victory lap guy Dunc'd On Prime is the only place to get every episode with Nate & Danny, plus every pod with John Hollinger & Nate as well! DuncdOn.SupportingCast.FM Subscribe on YouTube to see our hilarious faces and, more importantly, see the key moments from the pod each week.Or, sign up for our FREE mailing list to get Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs with all the major topics around the league twice a week.

11 Elo 45min

Summer 2025 Mailbag

Summer 2025 Mailbag

John and Nate discuss the Mikal Bridges extension and potential implications for the Knicks before answering listener mailbag questions covering NBA comparisons to tennis legends, potential first-time All-Stars, NBA expansion updates, Summer League standouts, and salary cap complexities.Timestamps:Intro and Mikal Bridges Extension Analysis: 00:00Mailbag: NBA Comparisons to Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray: 13:19Mailbag: Most Likely First-Time All-Stars for Upcoming Season: 19:56Mailbag: NBA Expansion and Possibility of Relocation vs. New Teams: 25:47Mailbag: NBA's Potential New European League Plans: 29:26Mailbag: Former Summer League Standouts Still Worth Watching: 33:46Mailbag: How the Hawks Should Use Their $13 Million Trade Exception: 42:05Mailbag: Reevaluating the 2024 Draft Class After One Year: 43:55Mailbag: Pathways for Spurs to Reach Finals in Next Three Years: 50:16Mailbag: Explanation of NBA Salary Escrow System: 54:55Mailbag: Should the NBA Adjust Second Apron Rules for Teams Retaining Drafted Players?: 55:50 Dunc'd On Prime is the only place to get every episode with Nate & Danny, plus every pod with John Hollinger & Nate as well! DuncdOn.SupportingCast.FM Subscribe on YouTube to see our hilarious faces and, more importantly, see the key moments from the pod each week.Or, sign up for our FREE mailing list to get Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs with all the major topics around the league twice a week.

2 Elo 1h 6min

Best & Worst of the Offseason

Best & Worst of the Offseason

Nate and John hand out their offseason superlatives across the NBA. They pick the best and worst trades, contracts, and minimum signings, and dig into what made those moves stand out. They also explore broader trends like the resurgence of bigs, the Rockets-Suns blockbuster, and the evolving financial pressures of contenders like Denver and Minnesota. Plus, a close look at the Thunder's strategy, a breakdown of restricted free agency, and their thoughts on Mike Brown landing with the Knicks.Timestamps:Best trades of the offseason, including Hawks/Pelicans and Heat/Clippers. 0:48The league-wide return of size and physicality. 6:06Cam Whitmore to the Wizards and Houston's rationale. 13:00Washington’s overloaded roster of prospects and vets. 14:42KD to Houston and how the Suns and Rockets made out. 16:51Phoenix’s likely plan to waive and stretch Bradley Beal. 18:35Denver’s financial outlook and the Cam Johnson trade. 21:32Nikola Jokić not extending—should the Nuggets be worried? 23:45Minnesota’s priorities: 32:13Worst contracts of the offseason: 36:10Sacramento’s puzzling offseason. 37:20Thunder give Chet Holmgren the 25% max—did they have to? 42:14Restricted free agent outlooks for Grimes, Thomas, Giddey, Kuminga. 45:18Most surprising contract of the offseason. 48:11Best minimum signings:. 52:05Mike Brown to the Knicks—will it pay off? 54:17  Dunc'd On Prime is the only place to get every episode with Nate & Danny, plus every pod with John Hollinger & Nate as well! DuncdOn.SupportingCast.FM Subscribe on YouTube to see our hilarious faces and, more importantly, see the key moments from the pod each week.Or, sign up for our FREE mailing list to get Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs with all the major topics around the league twice a week.

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Wacky Start to Free Agency

Wacky Start to Free Agency

Nate and John dive into NBA free agency, headlined by Denver’s bold roster shake-up and what it means for their title aspirations. They unpack Houston’s flurry of moves and debate where the Rockets stand in the West. The duo also examines the Lakers’ long-term plan with LeBron and Luka, Milwaukee’s all-in bet on Myles Turner, and where teams stack up in the suddenly wide-open Eastern Conference. Plus, they break down the latest on key restricted free agents and highlight a few overlooked names who could become sneaky difference-makers.Denver Nuggets: Trade of Michael Porter Jr., additions of Cam Johnson, Jonas Valančiūnas, Bruce Brown, and Tim Hardaway Jr. – 00:00:38Houston Rockets: Clint Capela trade, Jabari Smith Jr. extension, roster balance concerns – 00:10:08Minnesota Timberwolves: Outlook without Nickeil Alexander-Walker, dependence on rookies – 00:15:08Los Angeles Lakers: Long-term strategy with LeBron James, Luka Dončić, and cap space planning – 00:15:49Miami Heat & Detroit Pistons: Duncan Robinson and Simone Fontecchio sign-and-trade – 00:28:03Indiana Pacers: Decision to let Myles Turner go, tax avoidance, and contract management – 00:31:26Milwaukee Bucks: Big commitment to Turner, long-term direction with Giannis – 00:34:00Atlanta Hawks: Additions of Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Luke Kennard, and reshaping of depth – 00:41:26Eastern Conference Hierarchy: Ranking Cleveland, New York, Orlando, Atlanta, and others – 00:42:49Restricted Free Agents: Status of Quentin Grimes, Cam Thomas, Jonathan Kuminga, and Josh Giddey – 00:48:33Jonathan Kuminga's Future with Golden State: Extension scenarios and fit if Al Horford signs – 00:52:01Salary Cap Update: Impact of 7% cap growth and national TV deal structure – 00:54:57Damian Lillard Hypothetical: Should a contender sign him to rehab? – 00:58:44Underrated Free Agent Targets: A few overlooked names who could offer value – 01:03:03 Dunc'd On Prime is the only place to get every episode with Nate & Danny, plus every pod with John Hollinger & Nate as well! DuncdOn.SupportingCast.FM Subscribe on YouTube to see our hilarious faces and, more importantly, see the key moments from the pod each week.Or, sign up for our FREE mailing list to get Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs with all the major topics around the league twice a week.

1 Heinä 1h 6min

Draft and Trade Season--Sneak Preview

Draft and Trade Season--Sneak Preview

John Hollinger joins Nate to discuss the 2025 draft and recent trades. What do we think of the KD trade? What’s it like trying to move down or up in the draft? What does John think of how teams like the Pels, Grizz, Hawks, and Blazers handled that process? Plus, what of the players the Grizz, Pels, and Blazers selected with their machinations?We also discuss the Celtics moves to cut salary with Porzingis and Holiday, and Kyrie Irving returning to the Mavericks. Dunc'd On Prime is the only place to get every episode with Nate & Danny, plus every pod with John Hollinger & Nate as well! DuncdOn.SupportingCast.FM Subscribe on YouTube to see our hilarious faces and, more importantly, see the key moments from the pod each week.Or, sign up for our FREE mailing list to get Dan Feldman's Daily Duncs with all the major topics around the league twice a week.

27 Kesä 13min

Bane Trade, KD Trade, Draft Boards

Bane Trade, KD Trade, Draft Boards

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