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James Comey says he took it as a command. President Trump says he never even said it. We discuss the one word that an obstruction of justice case could turn on: “hope.” Guests: Adam Liptak, who covers the Supreme Court; David E. Sanger, who has been reporting on U.S. cyberattacks. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. For two weeks, we’re offering listeners a free trial of a New York Times digital subscription. Visit nytimes.com/dailytrial to sign up. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.