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A gunman walked into a Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Tex., on Sunday and opened fire. At least 26 people were killed — 7 percent of the town’s population. Guests: Manny Fernandez, The New York Times’s Houston bureau chief; Devin Butts, associate pastor at First Baptist Church in La Vernia, Tex. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.