'The Interview': Ayana Elizabeth Johnson Has an Antidote to Our Climate Delusions

The scientist talks to David Marchese about how to overcome the “soft” climate denial that keeps us buying junk. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.