Why Trump Still Believes (Wrongly) That Ukraine Hacked the D.N.C.

In the phone call at the center of the impeachment inquiry, President Trump asked Ukraine for two different investigations. Today, we explore the unexpected story behind one of them. Guest: Scott Shane, a national security reporter in the Washington bureau of The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

Background reading:

• How a fringe theory about Ukraine took root in the White House.
• Moscow has run a yearslong operation attempting to essentially frame Ukraine for its own 2016 election interference, according to United States intelligence agencies.

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