Episode #188: ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ 4×21, ‘Angel’ 1×21 – Where Are Buffy's Pancakes?

Join us as we discuss Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 4, episode 21, "Primeval," and Angel season 1, episode 21, "Blind Date."

Superfans: Natalie
Newbies: Brittany, Kristen and Ariana

Fun Facts:
Brittany has found a podcast host support system over at The West Wing Weekly. Ariana saw Fantastic Beasts and is going to have a Potter themed party! Karen left Kristen all alone, BUT she did get to take down all of Halloween decorations and put up all the Christmas gear! Natalie has a hard time wrapping her head around decorating for holidays, but she is having a winter Christmas!

Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 4, episode 21, "Primeval":
-Two very respectful deaths are had
-Umm... where do we go from here?
-Buffy is very self-contained show, so this format is new
-Supernatural, Once Upon a Time, Game of Thrones do this frequently
-How do we feel about monsters reflecting what the characters are going through?
-Did Adam ever feel like a threat?
-What could have made season 4 better?
-Adam and Riley chip implants say about Maggie?
-Everyone makes up!
-There are some problems in that scene between Willow and Buffy
-Buffy and the crew literally come together
-The fight scene was probably really expensive
-Angel and Buffy are tonally different
-Backroom conversations puts an end to the experimenting
-Will Riley die?
-The group may be softening to Spike's presence!
-Favorite scenes
-Favorite lines

Angel season 1, episode 21, "Blind Date":
-There are some major Daredevil vibes
-Joss actually did not have as much control in Angel as you may think
-Lindsey, how did we fee about his arc in this episode?
-Natalie dishes on some Leverage character work
-Where will Lindsey go from here?
-Lila is on our radar for sure
-Christian and David are BFFS4REAL...but not anymore :(
-Mission Impossible: Angel
-Lindsey or Gunn, who could be the next member of the gang?
-Supernatural security has its flaws
-What do we suspect about Wolfram and Hart will stick around?
-Angel was mystically drawn to the prophecy!
-Things wrap up pretty nicely all things considered
-Wesley, Cordelia are just hanging around this week!
-Angel and Buffy need to be more human...so to speak
-This episode set up a lot for the season
-There was no date!
-Angel is sulking in this foggy area of life
-Angelus and Ripper spinoff, where are you?
-Favorite scenes
-Favorite lines

Listener Feedback:
-Would you still watch Buffy without her powers? One listener lets us know!

Ariana's Assumptions:
-Angel season 1, episode 22, "Restless"
-Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 4, episode 22, "The Shanshu in L.A."

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