Episode #231: ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ 6x19, 'Angel' 3x19 - Perfect Oreo

Join ReWatchable as we discuss Buffy the Vampire season 6, episode 19, "Seeing Red," and Angel season 3, episode 19, "The Price."

Superfans: Caitlin and Natalie
Newbies: Kristen and Mitch

Fun Facts:
Mitch is in a FOMO Nintendo mode. Ariana wrapped One Day At a Time this week and is about to start a new job. Natalie has found and actually received a new secondhand vintage house wanker table. Caitlin has had Gage for one year on the day of this recording! But it's not like he understands that or steak juice.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 6, episode 19, "Seeing Red":

-Synopsis
-Superfans have been dreading this episode since the start of the podcast.
-Joss included Amber for the first time in the opening credits in this episode on purpose because he thought it would be "cute."
-The shooting environment for this show sounds so stressful.
-This whole echo chamber effect for Joss' work doesn't do him any favors.
-This episode marked the rise and fall of The Trio.
-The inclusion of guns here was an interesting twist in the plot.
-We want to like Jonathan, but that's mostly because he's played by Danny Strong.
-Did any of us see it coming that Andrew had a crush on Warren?
-Warren isn't secure enough in his masculinity to get with Andrew.
-The two orbs in a sac OMG.
-That's it, Mitch is going to Pigfarts.
-The contrast between Tara and Willow getting back together and the end of this episode is crushing.
-Is Dawn gay? Or why is she so excited about the sex happening in her house?
-Aaaaand we're done with anything resembling a fun and pleasant conversation.
-Dawn should not have stuck her nose into Spike's business.
-Yeah, trigger warning for this whole episode.
-Spike trying to take advantage of Buffy was such a horrific scene.
-Natalie's interview with James Marsters touches more on our thoughts on this horrific scene.
-It's important for show creators to understand that their material doesn't exist in a vacuum.
-Apparently, they didn't do trigger warnings before content like this when this episode aired.
-Why does Xander feel so entitled to Buffy's attention and apology?
-Where was Spike going on his motorcycle at the end?
-Filming the rape scene was nowhere near fair for either actor.
-There's no break from the trauma, as Warren waltzes right in with the gun.
-This death was not earned, as Tara's death was used simply as a plot point.
-Why is killing the lesbian girlfriend such a troupe?
-Is the treating of gay characters like this homophobic?
-Ariana's finally to the point of liking Buffy!
-The Trio is no longer the bigger threat, as Evil Willow falls into line.
-So it has to mean that Tara's death sticks because Willow turned evil?
-But it's season 6, so it can only get worse.
-Favorite Scenes
-Favorite Lines

Angel season 6, episode 19, "The Price":

-Synopsis
-Cordy is a beautiful light demon, yayyyyy.
-The return of Thaumogenesis.
-There were some horror movies potentially referenced in this episode.
-The Pancakes are still struggling to figure out how to operate without Wes.
-Connor is Dawn 2.0.
-Natalie's already apologizing for the misery we're about to experience.
-How about a demon prom, eh? That could be fun?
-Groo and Cordy's days are probably limited.
-You never know where Cordy's hair is going to go next!
-Ariana isn't feeling Cordy as much as before.
-Cordelia is rightfully upset that Angel didn't contact her about Connor.
-We want Cordy to feel again. We're missing out on some important scenes and confrontations from her.
-Connor probably has some hell dimension issues.
-What was the actual price of this episode?
-Favorite Scenes
-Favorite Lines

Listener Feedback:
-Amber Benson (Tara) and Adam Busch (Warren) dated!
-Does Warren have a soul?
-"Seeing Red" is tough for all of us.
-Yeah, why did Cordy never confront Wes?

Mitch's Musings/Ariana's Answers:
-Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 6, episode 20, "Villains"
-Angel season 3, episode 20, "A New World"

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