Crypto's Ultimate End State With Avery Ching

Gm! This week Avery Ching joins the show to discuss the Aptos 2.0 roadmap. We deep dive into the current vs end state of crypto, building a high performance L1, the rise of AI, misconceptions about Aptos & more. Enjoy! -- Follow Avery: https://x.com/AveryChing Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross and David Canellis. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts -- Ledger, the world leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Empire podcast. Celebrating 10 years of protecting over 20% of the world’s crypto, Ledger ensures the security of your assets. For the best self-custody solution in the space, buy a LEDGER™ device and secure your crypto today. Buy now at www.Ledger.com -- Mantle is evolving into the premier on-chain financial hub, supercharging the ecosystem that bridges blockchain with banking. The 2025 roadmap introduces three transformative products: - Enhanced Index Fund (launching Q1) offering optimized crypto exposure to BTC, ETH, SOL and USD with built-in yield optimization - targeting $1B AUM - Mantle Banking for seamless financial services - MantleX for AI-powered innovation Backed by a $4.5B treasury, Mantle is building the future of on-chain finance – accessible for everyone. Learn more: https://x.com/Mantle_Official/status/1882017058680086805 -- (00:00) Introduction (00:26) The Future Of Aptos (07:39) Building Products In Crypto (11:09) Designing A High Performance L1 (15:10) The Move VM (18:52) Crypto's Narrative Cycle (21:43) Building For Institutions vs Crypto Natives (25:14) Ads (Ledger & Mantle) (26:53) The Aptos Roadmap (34:00) The Growth Of Solana (36:17) Crypto's Ultimate End State (39:22) The Rise Of AI (42:03) Misconceptions About Aptos (44:38) Getting Started On Aptos -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.