How the Kochs Built an Industrial Empire and Reshaped Politics

How the Kochs Built an Industrial Empire and Reshaped Politics

This week, we have an interview with Christopher Leonard, author of a new book, “Kochland: The Secret History of Koch Industries and Corporate Power in America.”

Earlier this month, David Koch passed away. And it suddenly got everyone talking about the Koch Brothers again.

It got us thinking about them too — not just their role in politics, but about the company they built. Koch Industries is one of the most influential energy and industrial firms in the world. And the way the Kochs have run their company tells us a lot about their approach to conservative politics.

With David and Charles Koch back in the public spotlight, we’re talking with Christopher about their business practices, libertarian philosophies, and influence on politics.

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