The Ezra Klein Show21 Nov 2025

Fareed Zakaria Thinks Steve Bannon Got One Thing Right

On Monday night, in front of a live audience, I talked to Fareed Zakaria about the different political age he believes we’ve entered.

Zakaria is the host of “Fareed Zakaria GPS” on CNN and the author of the 2024 book “Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash From 1600 to the Present.” To mark the release of the book in paperback, Zakaria invited me to have this conversation at Symphony Space in New York City. We discuss the “revolution” we may be living through, the forces driving it, and how the Democratic Party can adapt.

Mentioned:

The Tea Party and the Remaking of Republican Conservatism by Theda Skocpol and Vanessa Williamson

"The Time Tax" by Annie Lowrey

"Behind Trump and Vance Is This Man’s Movement" by Ezra Klein

"The end of progress against extreme poverty?" by Max Roser

"What Does the ‘Post-Liberal Right’ Actually Want?" by The Ezra Klein Show

Escape from Freedom by Erich Fromm

Book Recommendations:

A Preface to Morals by Walter Lippmann

The Coming Of Post-Industrial Society by Daniel Bell

The Lost City by Alan Ehrenhalt

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

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