127 How to Deal with Epstein Barr Virus Reactivations Triggered by Other Viruses with Dr. Kasia Kines

127 How to Deal with Epstein Barr Virus Reactivations Triggered by Other Viruses with Dr. Kasia Kines

The Case:

  • Joanna is dealing with chronic fatigue and nausea and nothing seems to help
  • She heard an episode of Health Mysteries Solved with Kasia Kines and wondered if she might be suffering from EBV or Epstein Barr Virus
  • Her doctor ran a test and informed her that she did not have EBV so she was back to square one.

Not satisfied with this, Joanna came to me. I took a look at the labs that her doctor had run and saw that he hadn’t run a full EBV panel. This is common with conventional doctors because they may not be aware that in the last few years LabCorp has changed their panels to exclude an important marker unless the doctor specifically asks for it. As a result, Joanna was not tested for this marker and I knew this was the first step in us solving her health mystery.

The Investigation - Changes to EBV (Epstein Barr Virus)

This all started because Joanna had heard my conversations with Kasia Kines (episode 4 and episode 43). I’m not surprised because these are some of the most downloaded episodes! I know there are a lot of people struggling to understand what is going on with their health, just like Joanna, and exploring if EBV might be the root cause.

Since my last interview with Kasia, there’s been more research on EBV, including the impact of COVID and COVID vaccines. Joanna’s case seemed like a great reason to invite Kasia Kines back on the show to discuss EBV again.

Kasia Kines is a Doctor of Clinical Nutrition and the CEO of EBV Educational Institute and Holistic Nutrition Naturally. She is the author of the Amazon best-sellng book The Epstein-Barr Virus Solution.

EBV Testing

There are 4 markers to look for when testing for EBV and, as Joanna discovered, not all labs test for all 4 markers. The 4 markers you want to be included in your test are:

  1. EA IgG (Early Antigen) – this is the most important test and it’s often skipped.
  2. EBNA IgG (Epstein Barr Nuclear Antigen) – this marker shows the history of infection in non-acute cases revealing the long-term status of the virus.
  3. VCA IgG (Viral capsid antigen) – identifies if there is an acute infection (and remains present after initial infection).
  4. VCA IgM (Viral capsid antigen) – this shows up in the early stage of an infection and usually disappears.

It’s also worth noting that markers may not be detectable right after the initial exposure. And, some markers can go up and down in a day so tests may need to be repeated to get a true picture of what’s going on.

Studies have also found that healthy people can test positive for years without any symptoms.

Ebstein Barr Virus (EBV) and Autoimmune Disease

Once someone has been exposed to EBV (and Kasia says that 90% of children are), then it stays in the system for life. Most of the time, it remains dormant but different things can trigger it. Those with autoimmune issues are more at risk of their EBV being triggered because their immune system is often struggling or challenged.

This increased immune system activity could also potentially lead to molecular mimicry and result in the immune system mistakenly attacking organs.

What Causes EBV to Reactivate?

There are many triggers that can cause the Epstein Barr Virus to reactivate and it can happen over and over again. Some of the most common ones are stress, environmental toxins, anxiety, and hormonal changes (even a woman’s monthly cycle can reactivate EBV).

Kasia says that some of the people in her community (who generally are aware of their EBV status and have regular flare-ups) also reported that COVID as well as the vaccine increased their EBV reactivation.

EBV Reactivation Symptoms

Different people experience EBV reactivation differently. Some will say that they experience a special kind of fatigue while others might get a rash or have a fever. Becoming aware of and tracking your EBV symptoms will help you manage reactivation symptoms sooner. Tracking may also help you identify triggers to avoid reactivations. The Emergency Protocol to Treat EBV Reactivation Symptoms

When someone is experiencing symptoms and they know they have chronic EBV (even if it is not always active), Dr. Kines recommends a series of supplements to support the immune system and decrease symptoms. Her emergency EBV protocol includes:

  • Selenium
  • NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine)
  • L-Lysine
  • Licorice
  • Vitamin C
  • Zinc
  • Vitamin E
  • Vitamin D

These supplements should help stabilize the immune system so that it can fight EBV. In addition, Dr. Kines encourages everyone to pay attention to the other factors like the environment, emotion (especially fear, anxiety, and stress) as well as nutrition.

EBV and COVID

Dr. Kines says that they learned a lot about EBV during the COVID pandemic. One of the things is that anti-viral supplements (like the ones mentioned above as well as the zinc/quercetin combo) can help with EBV as well as other viruses like COVID. They also found that EBV can reactivate when the body is fighting the COVID virus so they suspect that there may be a connection between Long COVID and EBV. Dr. Kines referenced a study that found that 73% of Long Haul COVID cases were actually an EBV reactivation.

One caution is that anyone who is pregnant should avoid taking large doses (over 400 mg) of Quercetin.

Another caution is around the use of steroids or corticosteroids which are sometimes used to treat COVID. Medical research has found that steroids are not recommended for those with chronic activated EBV.

Taking Action to Combat EBV

One of the points that Dr. Kines likes to stress is that we do not have to suffer from EBV. While it is not a virus we can kill, there are ways to find a balance and cohabitate with the virus. There is a way to keep it in check so that you can live a healthy life. This includes understanding your triggers and decreasing your exposure to them as well as recognizing and treating symptoms quickly with the emergency protocol.

Next Steps

In Joanna’s case, when I realized that her early antigen had not been tested I knew we needed to explore that as it is possible to have a reactivated EBV and still have a negative VCA IgM. The results backed up my suspicions.

We put Joanna on Dr. Kines emergency protocol with a few additional supplements to further support her immune system.

This included:

In addition, we improved her nutrition and focused on making sure she was making healthy lifestyle choices. We also spent some time digging deeper into what she wanted for herself and encouraged her to focus on being true to herself and living authentically. Mindset is such an important part of the healing process.

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197 What No One Told You About The Connection of Progesterone, Estrogen, and Hashimoto’s with Dr. Felice Gersh (Part 1)

197 What No One Told You About The Connection of Progesterone, Estrogen, and Hashimoto’s with Dr. Felice Gersh (Part 1)

In this episode of Thyroid Mystery Solved, Inna welcomes back the brilliant Dr. Felice Gersh for a conversation that takes Hashimoto’s and hormones to a whole new level. Together, they dive deep into the role of estrogen and progesterone in regulating the immune system, inflammation, and thyroid health. Most people have only heard the basics about these hormones, but as Dr. Gersh explains, the story goes far beyond reproduction. From Hashimoto’s flares that appear around menstrual cycles to the critical impact of hormones during perimenopause and menopause, this discussion unpacks what most doctors never tell their patients and you are going to be amazed!Dr. Gersh also shines a light on how misconceptions about hormones, especially progesterone, have shaped conventional medicine and why so many women are left without the support they truly need. This episode is part one of a two-part series, and it is filled with insights that will completely change the way you think about hormones and Hashimoto’s.----------For full show notes, please see https://innatopiler.com/podcasts/connection-progesterone-estrogen-and-hashimotos-dr-felice-gersh/Get ThyroLove - the first all in one bottle multi-nutrient comprehensive formula designed specifically for those with Hashimoto’s at ThyroLove.com - use code “Podcast” to get 10% off and free shipping For more information about everything Hashimoto’s please visit InnaTopiler.comIf you are struggling to lose weight with Hashimoto’s, Inna has a 10 day plan just for you at InnaTopiler.com/jumpstartIf you need help with fatigue or brain fog with Hashimoto’s, please check out Inna’s 9 Day Exhaustion Solution at innatopiler.com/energyIf you don’t yet know your thyroid type, please be sure you sign up for Inna’s next free training at InnaTopiler.com/zoomcall

4 Sep 45min

196 Why Positive Thinking Can Backfire with Hashimoto’s with Anat Peri

196 Why Positive Thinking Can Backfire with Hashimoto’s with Anat Peri

In this powerful episode, Inna is joined by transformational leader and inner child expert Anat Peri to explore an unexpected twist in the Hashimoto’s healing journey. Together, they dive into the case of Jessica, who was doing all the “right” things, following the AIP diet, taking supplements, working on her mindset, but still felt exhausted and stuck. Her symptoms weren’t improving, and her doctor’s solution was to increase her medication yet again.The turning point came when she uncovered something deeper. Jessica was trying so hard to stay positive, think positive, do her affirmations because that is what she was told she should be doing. However by doing that, she was unintentionally overriding her true emotions and it made her feel way worse.Anat explains how this kind of forced positivity can be a detriment because it can actually create stress in the nervous system, keeping the body in a chronic state of fight, flight, or freeze. This episode unpacks how overriding your feelings can actually worsen autoimmune symptoms and why true healing starts with emotional safety.Anat also shares the science behind how the nervous system reacts faster than the conscious mind, how inner child work helps create safety, and why nervous system regulation must come before mindset work can truly be effective. From breathwork to sensation naming to reparenting tools, you’ll learn how to create space for your emotions and support your healing from the inside out.This episode is an essential listen for anyone who has tried it all and still feels like something is missing. It might not be about doing more. It might be about feeling more.For full show notes, please see:https://innatopiler.com/podcasts/positive-thinking-hashimotos-anat-peri/Get ThyroLove - the first all in one bottle multi-nutrient comprehensive formula designed specifically for those with Hashimoto’s at ThyroLove.com - use code “Podcast” to get 10% off and free shipping For more information about everything Hashimoto’s please visit InnaTopiler.comIf you are struggling to lose weight with Hashimoto’s, Inna has a 10 day plan just for you at InnaTopiler.com/jumpstartIf you need help with fatigue or brain fog with Hashimoto’s, please check out Inna’s 9 Day Exhaustion Solution at innatopiler.com/energyIf you don’t yet know your thyroid type, please be sure you sign up for Inna’s next free training at InnaTopiler.com/zoomcall

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195 The Surprising Empath–Thyroid Connection with Kristen Schwartz

195 The Surprising Empath–Thyroid Connection with Kristen Schwartz

If you have Hashimoto’s, there’s a very real chance you’re also an empath and you may not even realize it.This matters more than you think. Because when you’re highly sensitive and constantly absorbing everything around you (other people’s energy, emotions, even stress), your nervous system takes the hit. And when the nervous system is in overdrive, it becomes very hard to heal, no matter how clean your diet is or how many supplements you take.In this episode, Inna is joined by trauma-informed coach and empath expert Kristen Schwartz to talk about something that’s rarely discussed in the Hashimoto’s world: how being an unrecognized empath can be one of the biggest hidden blocks to healing. Kristen breaks down how fatigue, overstimulation, anxiety, heart palpitations, and even sleep issues can all trace back to nervous system dysregulation and how this shows up differently in sensitive people.You’ll learn how to tell if this is what’s really happening in your body, how to start regulating (without adding more to your to-do list), and how to gently reconnect to yourself without pressure or performance. Kristen shares simple but powerful shifts that help you reclaim your energy, feel safe in your body again, and finally get unstuck.If you've ever felt like you're doing all the right things but still feel wired, tired, or anxious, this conversation could be the missing link. You’ll walk away with a deeper understanding of what’s really going on under the surface and what to do about it.----------For full show notes, please see:https://innatopiler.com/podcasts/empath-thyroid-connection-kristen-schwartz/Get ThyroLove - the first all in one bottle multi-nutrient comprehensive formula designed specifically for those with Hashimoto’s at ThyroLove.com - use code “Podcast” to get 10% off and free shipping For more information about everything Hashimoto’s please visit InnaTopiler.comIf you are struggling to lose weight with Hashimoto’s, Inna has a 10 day plan just for you at InnaTopiler.com/jumpstartIf you need help with fatigue or brain fog with Hashimoto’s, please check out Inna’s 9 Day Exhaustion Solution at innatopiler.com/energyIf you don’t yet know your thyroid type, please be sure you sign up for Inna’s next free training at InnaTopiler.com/zoomcall

10 Juli 50min

194 Conflicting Hashimoto’s Advice: How To Find Your Path to Healing

194 Conflicting Hashimoto’s Advice: How To Find Your Path to Healing

When you’re living with Hashimoto’s,  it’s easy to end up overwhelmed, especially when you’re getting conflicting advice from different practitioners. In this episode, Inna shares a real-life case where a client was stuck in that very situation, caught between protocols and unsure how to move forward. What helped wasn’t more advice, instead it was learning to trust her own intuition.To explore this idea further, Inna is joined by Karly Ashworth, a transformational coach and intuitive guide who helps people reconnect to their inner voice and find clarity. Together, they talk about how tuning into your intuition can help you navigate confusing symptoms, make better health decisions, and even uncover emotional patterns that might be affecting your thyroid.They dive into what intuition really is (and why we all have it), how it relates to the throat chakra and the thyroid, and why emotional triggers such as indecision or self-doubt can sometimes do just as much damage as physical ones. Karly also shares practical ways to quiet the noise, get grounded, and start recognizing the signals your body is already sending you.Whether you’ve been second-guessing your health decisions or you’ve just felt out of touch with your body, this episode is a powerful reminder that sometimes, the answers you’re looking for aren’t out there but they’re already within.For full show notes, please see (TIM PLEASE ADD LINK)Get ThyroLove - the first all in one bottle multi-nutrient comprehensive formula designed specifically for those with Hashimoto’s at ThyroLove.com - use code “Podcast” to get 10% off and free shipping For more information about everything Hashimoto’s please visit InnaTopiler.comIf you are struggling to lose weight with Hashimoto’s, Inna has a 10 day plan just for you at InnaTopiler.com/jumpstartIf you need help with fatigue or brain fog with Hashimoto’s, please check out Inna’s 9 Day Exhaustion Solution at innatopiler.com/energyIf you don’t yet know your thyroid type, please be sure you sign up for Inna’s next free training at InnaTopiler.com/zoomcall

26 Juni 50min

193 Root Canals, Cavities, and Hashimoto’s: What Your Dentist Isn’t Telling You with Dr. Michelle Jorgensen

193 Root Canals, Cavities, and Hashimoto’s: What Your Dentist Isn’t Telling You with Dr. Michelle Jorgensen

When a patient has tried every clean-eating plan, every supplement protocol, and every practitioner,  but is still exhausted, anxious, and foggy  it’s time to look where no one else has. In this episode, Inna teams up with functional dentist Dr. Michelle Jorgensen to explore a very overlooked trigger and aggravator for Hashimoto’s symptoms: your mouth.Through the case of “Cindy,” a Hashimoto’s patient who did everything right but still wasn’t getting better, Inna and Dr. Michelle reveal how hidden dental infections, past root canals, and even the materials used in old dental work can silently drive inflammation and autoimmune flares. What looks like “perfect” dental health on X-rays might actually be masking deep, ongoing issues that most conventional dentists never catch.Dr. Michelle brings her unique insight as a dentist-turned-health detective, showing how problems like cavitations, mixed metals, and even mouth breathing can create a ripple effect on the immune system, the microbiome, and the thyroid. She also explains how to safely investigate and address these issues  and why healing often requires asking the questions no one else is asking.This episode opens a powerful new conversation for anyone with Hashimoto’s who still doesn’t feel well despite doing “everything right” and exactly what you can do to explore what your mouth is trying to tell you.----------For full show notes, please see:https://innatopiler.com/podcasts/root-canals-cavities-hashimotos-dentist-dr-michelle-jorgensen/Get ThyroLove - the first all in one bottle multi-nutrient comprehensive formula designed specifically for those with Hashimoto’s at ThyroLove.com - use code “Podcast” to get 10% off and free shipping For more information about everything Hashimoto’s please visit InnaTopiler.comIf you are struggling to lose weight with Hashimoto’s, Inna has a 10 day plan just for you at InnaTopiler.com/jumpstartIf you need help with fatigue or brain fog with Hashimoto’s, please check out Inna’s 9 Day Exhaustion Solution at innatopiler.com/energyIf you don’t yet know your thyroid type, please be sure you sign up for Inna’s next free training at InnaTopiler.com/zoomcall

12 Juni 52min

192 The Emotional Root of Chronic Symptoms in Hashimoto’s with Lizzy Swick

192 The Emotional Root of Chronic Symptoms in Hashimoto’s with Lizzy Swick

If you’ve ever felt like you’ve tried everything…very diet, every supplement, every protocol, but your Hashimoto’s symptoms still aren’t budging, this episode might be the missing link. In this tender and deeply personal conversation, Inna sits down with her dear friend and colleague Lizzy Swick, RDN, to explore a part of healing that’s so often overlooked: the emotional and nervous system layer. Lizzy shares her own journey of chronic migraines, pain, and doing all the right things until she discovered that true progress began when she stopped doing more and started feeling more.Together, they unpack what it really means to feel safe in your body and how emotions, past experiences, and the way we push ourselves can quietly drive inflammation, fatigue, and even autoimmunity. You’ll hear practical tools like "rage on the page" journaling, embodiment meditation, and the internal shifts that helped Lizzy finally get relief after years of searching. It’s gentle, honest, and eye-opening in the most beautiful way.This conversation is one that Inna truly hopes you’ll take to heart. It’s not just about healing your thyroid, it’s about healing you. If you’ve been stuck, if nothing is working, or if you’ve ever wondered whether your emotions and nervous system might be part of the puzzle, this episode will feel like a breath of fresh air. Please listen, it might be the turning point you didn’t know you needed.----------For full show notes, please see https://innatopiler.com/podcasts/root-chronic-symptoms-hashimotos-lizzy-swick/Get ThyroLove - the first all in one bottle multi-nutrient comprehensive formula designed specifically for those with Hashimoto’s at ThyroLove.com - use code “Podcast” to get 10% off and free shipping For more information about everything Hashimoto’s please visit InnaTopiler.comIf you are struggling to lose weight with Hashimoto’s, Inna has a 10 day plan just for you at InnaTopiler.com/jumpstartIf you need help with fatigue or brain fog with Hashimoto’s, please check out Inna’s 9 Day Exhaustion Solution at innatopiler.com/energyIf you don’t yet know your thyroid type, please be sure you sign up for Inna’s next free training at InnaTopiler.com/zoomcall

29 Maj 50min

191 Hashimoto’s and the Hidden Growth You Might Not See Yet

191 Hashimoto’s and the Hidden Growth You Might Not See Yet

When you’re in the thick of it, whether it’s fatigue, brain fog, a flare, or something even bigger, it’s so easy to feel like you’re losing yourself. But what if something deeper is happening beneath the surface? In this heartfelt solo episode, Inna shares a powerful reframe that might just change how you see your Hashimoto’s journey… and your life.Drawing from her own healing path with Hashimoto’s and the ongoing challenges she’s facing with her son Jake’s autism and PANDAS diagnosis, Inna opens up about what it means to go through something and become someone in the process. She shares how surrender, patience, humor, and deep empathy have shaped her, not just as a mom, but as a woman and practitioner.This episode is an invitation to pause and reflect on your own journey, what it’s teaching you, how it’s changing you, and who you’re becoming through it all. If you’ve ever felt alone in your struggles or unsure of your path, this conversation will help you feel seen, grounded, and more hopeful.----------For full show notes, please see https://innatopiler.com/podcasts/hashimotos-hidden-growth/Get ThyroLove - the first all in one bottle multi-nutrient comprehensive formula designed specifically for those with Hashimoto’s at ThyroLove.com - use code “Podcast” to get 10% off and free shipping For more information about everything Hashimoto’s please visit InnaTopiler.comIf you are struggling to lose weight with Hashimoto’s, Inna has a 10 day plan just for you at InnaTopiler.com/jumpstartIf you need help with fatigue or brain fog with Hashimoto’s, please check out Inna’s 9 Day Exhaustion Solution at innatopiler.com/energyIf you don’t yet know your thyroid type, please be sure you sign up for Inna’s next free training at InnaTopiler.com/zoomcall

15 Maj 22min

190 The Hidden Factor Behind Brain Fog and Fatigue in Hashimoto’s with Inna Topiler

190 The Hidden Factor Behind Brain Fog and Fatigue in Hashimoto’s with Inna Topiler

There’s one hidden factor that could be draining your energy and clouding your brain, and most people with Hashimoto’s have no idea it’s happening.In this episode, Inna reveals the overlooked role that poor blood and lymph flow play in fatigue and brain fog, and very specific things that can make a big difference in how your brain functions and how your body feels.She walks you through the exact steps you can take right now to improve circulation, clear your head, and start feeling better with gentle, doable strategies that actually work for Hashimoto’s. Plus, she dives into the full picture of why energy gets blocked, including deeper layers like blood sugar, mitochondrial inflammation, adrenal rhythm, and nutrient deficiencies. It’s everything you need to understand why you’re still tired and what to do about it.If you’ve been doing everything “right” but still feel off, you need to hear this.----------For full show notes, please see https://innatopiler.com/podcasts/brain-fog-fatigue-hashimotos-inna-topiler/Get ThyroLove - the first all in one bottle multi-nutrient comprehensive formula designed specifically for those with Hashimoto’s at ThyroLove.com - use code “Podcast” to get 10% off and free shipping For more information about everything Hashimoto’s please visit InnaTopiler.comIf you are struggling to lose weight with Hashimoto’s, Inna has a 10 day plan just for you at InnaTopiler.com/jumpstartIf you need help with fatigue or brain fog with Hashimoto’s, please check out Inna’s 9 Day Exhaustion Solution at innatopiler.com/energyIf you don’t yet know your thyroid type, please be sure you sign up for Inna’s next free training at InnaTopiler.com/zoomcall

1 Maj 18min

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