Danger, Disappearances, and Divorce: A Conversation with Family Law Attorney Patricia McKinnon
Murder Sheet15 Juli 2025

Danger, Disappearances, and Divorce: A Conversation with Family Law Attorney Patricia McKinnon

We interviewed family law attorney Patricia McKinnon about the ins-and-outs of family law — and why it can be heartbreaking and dangerous.

Check out the Super Lawyers Magazine article about Patricia here: https://www.superlawyers.com/articles/indiana/what-would-patty-do/

Here are some links regarding what we talked about on today’s show:

A USA Today report on the murder plot story: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/29/attorney-alleged-murder-plot/29487509/

A CBS4Indy report on the murder plot story: https://cbs4indy.com/news/woman-sentenced-to-27-years-for-bizarre-murder-plot-targeting-noblesville-attorney/

An Indiana Lawyer report about a murder involving an attorney: https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/24597-attorney-killed-by-husband

A 21AliveNews article about a murder involving an attorney:

https://www.21alivenews.com/2024/02/05/allen-county-public-defenders-office-mourning-loss-colleague-killed-grabill/

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Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232

Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236

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The Cheat Sheet: Victims and Voir Dire

The Cheat Sheet: Victims and Voir Dire

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from New Hampshire, New Jersey, Colorado, and Mississippi.NBC Boston’s coverage of the murder of Judy Lord: https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/nh-cold-case-unit-to-announce-significant-development-in-decades-old-case/3850076/CBS News’s report on developments about Nazeer Hameed's involvement in the murders of Sasikala Narra and her son Anish Narra: https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/sasikala-and-anish-narra-maple-shade-nj-cold-case/We also accessed news articles from the Concord Monitor, the Trenton Times, and the South Jersey Times via Newspapers.com.The ruling from the Colorado Court of Appeals on public access issues in the Edward R. Sandoval case about the murder of Dennis Lozoya: https://gazetteedit.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/22CA0824-Peo-v-Sandoval-10-30-25.pdfThe appeal filed in the case of William Ervin Edwards in the murder case of Robert Davis: https://courts.ms.gov/appellatecourts/docket/sendPDF.php?f=web0001.COA.2025-KA-138.118328.0.pdf&c=99062&a=N&s=2Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

2 Jan 52min

More Questions and Answers to Close Out 2025

More Questions and Answers to Close Out 2025

We got a lot of questions, so this is part two.Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

30 Dec 20251h 33min

Questions and Answers to Close Out 2025

Questions and Answers to Close Out 2025

We will sit down and answer some of your pressing questions!Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

29 Dec 20251h 24min

The Truth About Sex Trafficking

The Truth About Sex Trafficking

We checked in with Leyna. She is an advocate who is pushing to stop the scourge of human, labor, and sexual trafficking. She told us about her own experiences surviving trafficking, and cleared up some myths about the subject. Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

28 Dec 202557min

The Cheat Sheet: Incompetence and Intelligence

The Cheat Sheet: Incompetence and Intelligence

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Indiana, Kentucky, Connecticut, and California.Abacus News’s report on a lawsuit against ChatGPT creator OpenAI after the murder-suicide of Suzanne Eberson Adams and Stein-Erik Soelberg: https://abacusnews.com/when-a-chatbot-became-a-confidant-the-ai-lawsuit-after-a-murder-suicide/The Wall Street Journal’s report on a lawsuit against ChatGPT creator OpenAI after the murder-suicide of Suzanne Eberson Adams and Stein-Erik Soelberg: https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/chatgpt-and-a-murder-suicide-in-connecticut/959368a9-3421-43f8-8e72-019762a90b9c?mod=WSJvidctr_upnext_pos0&gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqf70JjMqyNALv4YwKMKYcrtadR9WVwJgnCT-FLovBeL1jhCdzQS1xEFIPq31o0%3D&gaa_ts=6942de8c&gaa_sig=qfJFIe8q57QOSz38xHcSLDz8REHwZPecfQ3o7NvbHV3GNEZqA2r1Hz0E-YeoRA0zmGlRj7w_ruseicctv8_FNA%3D%3DThe New York Post’s report on a lawsuit against ChatGPT creator OpenAI after the murder-suicide of Suzanne Eberson Adams and Stein-Erik Soelberg: https://nypost.com/2025/12/11/us-news/chatgpt-chatbots-shocking-response-to-alleged-role-in-murder-suicide/The Guardian’s report on the crimes of true-crime-producer-turned-fugitive Mary Carole McDonnell: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/14/fbi-most-wanted-list-true-crime-tv-producerWKYT’s report on Jacob Lee Bard’s arrest in the death of De’Jon Fox Jr.: https://www.wkyt.com/2025/12/16/case-against-man-accused-ksu-shooting-sent-grand-jury-new-details-emerge/Lex-18’s report on Jacob Lee Bard’s arrest in the death of De’Jon Fox Jr.: https://www.lex18.com/news/covering-kentucky/man-charged-in-connection-to-deadly-ksu-shooting-set-to-appear-in-courtFox 59’s coverage of the delay in the case against Carl Boards for the murder of Officer Noah Shahnavaz: https://fox59.com/news/family-of-slain-elwood-police-officer-says-delay-in-suspects-trial-reopens-the-wound/Dispatch audio of Officer Noah Shahnavaz’s final call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8dc5_5ISDsFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

26 Dec 20251h 9min

The Murder of Scott Macklem: The Guilt of Temujin Kensu: The Evidence

The Murder of Scott Macklem: The Guilt of Temujin Kensu: The Evidence

Let's sit down and sift through the evidence in the murder of Scott Macklem. We will also read some communications we recently received from Temujin Kensu. Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

25 Dec 20252h 55min

Policing Across the Pond: The Differences Between Law Enforcement in the United States and the United Kingdom

Policing Across the Pond: The Differences Between Law Enforcement in the United States and the United Kingdom

We spoke to a former police officer who lives in Britain in the United Kingdom about the differences between policing in the United States and the United Kingdom.Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

23 Dec 202558min

The Cheat Sheet: Sentences and Sledgehammers

The Cheat Sheet: Sentences and Sledgehammers

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Indiana, Minnesota, and Colorado.WTHR’s coverage of the recent plea deal of Ryan Smith, the case of Toni McClure, and the murder of Kinsleigh Welty: https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/change-of-plea-hearing-scheduled-indianapolis-man-charged-5-year-olds-death-kinsleigh-welty-ryan-smith-toni-mcclure-tammy-halsey/531-1c9cdb24-9a92-4d7c-848c-794efd6999ceThe Dassel-Cokato Enterprise Dispatch’s coverage of the murder of Amber Czech and the case against David Bruce Delong: https://www.dasselcokato.com/articles/featured-stories-enterprisedispatch/amber-czech-20-killed-in-workplace-attack-david-delong-charged-with-second-degree-murder-grand-jury-review-pending/FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul’s coverage of the murder of Amber Czech and the case against David Bruce Delong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHEaV-HsTkKKTV’s coverage of the cases of Robert Hunt and Aaron Weston and the murder of Eddie Wilson: https://www.kktv.com/2025/12/10/my-first-memory-him-was-his-funeral-murder-conviction-vacated-15-years-after-death-colorado-springs-father/The Colorado Court of Appeals on the case of Robert Hunt and the murder of Eddie Wilson: https://cases.justia.com/colorado/court-of-appeals/2016-15ca0080.pdf?ts=1466089558WRTV’s report on Sarah Jo Pender’s conviction and the recent pivot from Marion County Deputy Prosecutor Larry Sells: https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/crime/he-once-called-her-the-female-charles-manson-now-this-prosecutor-believes-sarah-jo-pender-deserves-freedomWRTV’s report on Sarah Jo Pender’s case and the murders of Andrew Cataldi and Tricia Nordman: https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/convicted-double-murderer-begs-judge-for-mercy-amid-sentence-modification-hearingFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

19 Dec 20251h 10min

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