Ep. 225: Julia Michaels pt.2 | The Woman Who Changed Pop

Julia Michaels has quietly rewritten the emotional DNA of pop music.

From Selena Gomez to Justin Bieber to Sabrina Carpenter — her pen reshaped how vulnerability sounds on the radio.

In this episode, Julia sits down with Ross to unpack the craft behind her catalog: the psychology of honest writing, the architecture of a hit, and the years she spent changing pop from behind the glass.

They dive into the writing of hits, the evolution of her artistry, and what it means to sustain creative integrity in a fast-changing industry.

Chapters

0:00 Intro: The Woman Who Reshaped Pop Music

0:59 Welcome Back: Reflecting on 8 Years in the Industry

2:13 Music Industry Evolution: Then vs. Now

3:00 Adapting Songwriting to Social Media and Trends

4:32 Early Career Advice: Mental Health and Boundaries

6:03 Panic Attacks and Performance Anxiety

9:25 From Songwriter to Artist: Reluctance and Breakthrough

11:23 Influence on Songwriting: Changing Pop's Sound

15:06 Hit Runs, Burnout, and Creative Pauses

17:55 Writing for Disney's Wish: Behind the Scenes

19:42 Future Plans: Musicals, Retirement, and Balance

21:05 Artistry and Collaborations

23:00 Inside the Sabrina Carpenter Camp

29:01 Breaking Down Hits: Taste, Bed Chem, and Coincidence

30:50 Joining Tate McRae: From 17 to Global Hits

33:39 Favorite Producers: Ryan Tedder, Stargate, and More

36:04 Working with Ed Sheeran: Panic, Brotherhood, and Hits

39:30 Crafting Lose You To Love Me with Selena Gomez

43:24 Longtime Bond with Selena: Firsts and Milestones

45:50 Celebrating Wins in a Changing Industry

47:19 Songwriter Struggles: Pay, Radio, and Streaming

50:26 Fair Splits and Standing Up for Writers

55:09 Gender Challenges: Overworking Female Writers

1:00:06 Regimented Life: Balance and Boundaries

1:02:40 Running Her Own Label: Freedom and Control

1:04:15 Career Lows and Highs

1:06:10 Perfect Studio Moment: Working with Britney Spears

1:07:34 Reflections: Where She Thought She'd Be

1:08:45 Uncut Demos and Sacred Songs

1:11:27 Wrapping with Selena, Benny, and Unlikely Stars

1:15:55 Ego-Free Sessions and Lifelong Roots

1:18:22 Outro and Credits

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