33: TBPN (John Coogan & Jordi Hays) - Inside Tech's Water Cooler
Dialectic17 Nov 2025

33: TBPN (John Coogan & Jordi Hays) - Inside Tech's Water Cooler

John Coogan & Jordi Hays are the hosts of TBPN (X, YouTube, Spotify, Substack), a daily live show covering the technology business. TBPN was launched only about a year ago, but has become a mainstay in tech culture and a center of gravity forterminally online technologists. John was previously an EIR at Founders Fund and tech YouTuber. He co-founded Lucy Nicotine and Soylent. Jordi has co-founded and invested in many business including Party Round/Capital and Branded Native, a podcast and youtube ad network. We cover the origins of TBPN, or the Technology Business Programming Network, from its beginnings as "Technology Brothers" to the interplay between John's love for technology and Jordi's for business. They share how they've built a media business in an era of infinite competition by leaning into high volume and constant iteration, all while treating media as the "main thing." We discuss brand building and innovating on form by borrowing ideas from outside the tech industry—from Formula One and SportsCenter to Hollywood films—to avoid tech's tendency toward circular references. We also talk about their focus on X/Twitter and a niche, highly informed audience, rather than trying to go too wide. We also chat about what makes their partnership work and how they take the work incredibly seriously while not taking themselves seriously at all. Transcript and all links available at https://dialectic.fm/tbpn Timestamps 00:00: Opening Highlights 03:18: Intro & Background 06:08: Technology vs. Business and the Strategy behind TBPN 12:08: Building a Media Business when Distribution is not Scarce 22:26: Being Entrepreneurs and Talent 30:33: Avoiding Audience Capture 35:57: Why Advertising is a Good Model 44:04: Technology's Circular References and Borrowing Ideas from New Places 53:20: Narrow vs. Wide Appeal 59:44: X (Twitter)-First Content and Other Platforms 1:14:35: Making Content People Want to Share and Taking Yourself Seriously and Unseriously 1:20:28: Valuing Brand 1:30:10: Balancing Focus and Iteration 1:35:25: Endurance & Evolution 1:40:34: A Day in the Life of TBPN & Learning to be Newscasters 1:49:59: Jordi & John as a duo, Will Manidis, and the beginnings of TBPN 2:02:57: Grab Bag: Bias to Action, 15 Minute Interviews, Not Journalism, Talent, and Domination of Spirit Dialectic with Jackson Dahl is available on all podcast platforms.⁠ Join the ⁠telegram channel for Dialectic⁠⁠<...

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38: Molly Mielke McCarthy - The Art of Peopling

38: Molly Mielke McCarthy - The Art of Peopling

Transcript and all links: dialectic.fm/mmm Molly Mielke McCarthy (Website, X, Substack) is an investor, writer, and founder of Moth Fund, an early-stage fund focused on backing "moths": quirky, quiet...

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37: Trevor McFedries - Creative People Should Be Rich

37: Trevor McFedries - Creative People Should Be Rich

All linked references & transcript available at dialectic.fm/trevor-mcfedries. Trevor McFedries (X, Instagram, Wikipedia) is a musician, technologist, and entrepreneur. Today he is the founder of Runn...

20 Jan 2h 18min

36: C. Thi Nguyen - Measurement, Meaning, and Play

36: C. Thi Nguyen - Measurement, Meaning, and Play

Full episode transcript and all linked references available at https://dialectic.fm/c-thi-nguyen. C. Thi Nguyen (Website, Philpeople.org, X) is a professor of philosophy at the University of Utah foc...

13 Jan 2h 21min

35: Brie Wolfson - Loving Attention & Ease in Craft

35: Brie Wolfson - Loving Attention & Ease in Craft

Full transcript and all links: ⁠https://dialectic.fm/brie-wolfson⁠ Brie Wolfson (X) is a marketer, writer, storyteller, and curator. She’s Chief Marketing Officer of Positive Sum & Colossus, where she...

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34: Ryo Lu - It's All the Same Thing

34: Ryo Lu - It's All the Same Thing

All links and transcript at dialectic.fm/ryo-lu Ryo Lu (Website, X) is the head of Design at Cursor. Prior, he was a designer at Notion, Stripe, and Asana, working on some of the most influential soft...

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32: Chris Sacca - Drifting Back to Real

32: Chris Sacca - Drifting Back to Real

Chris Sacca is an investor and founder of Lowercarbon Capital and Lowercase Capital. Prior to becoming an investor, Chris grew up in Buffalo, NY; studied around the world by way of the Georgetown Sch...

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31: Gabe Whaley - Playing the Crowd & Outlasting the Hype

31: Gabe Whaley - Playing the Crowd & Outlasting the Hype

Gabe Whaley is co-founder and CEO of MSCHF (Instagram, Wikipedia), the art collective, fashion and footwear brand, startup, and fill-in-the-blank, famous for its viral products and cultural interventi...

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