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As recent history has shown us, human societies can prove surprisingly frail in the face of a tiny, yet powerful force: the microbes that cause infectious disease. Speaking with Matt Elton, Jonathan Kennedy explores the myriad ways in which pandemics have shaped the course of human history. (Ad) Jonathan Kennedy is the author of Pathogenesis: How Germs Made History (Torva, 2023). Buy it now from Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pathogenesis-infectious-diseases-shaped-history/dp/1911709062/?tag=bbchistory045-21&ascsubtag=historyextra-social-histboty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices