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A new papal history book (City of Echoes) has just been released, and Bry had the opportunity to interview the author, Dr. Jessica Wärnberg! In this episode, we discuss all things pope - the history of the papacy, the history of the city of Rome, and how the two are inextricably linked. Jessica Wärnberg: https://jessicawarnberg.com/ https://twitter.com/jessicawarnberg Find City of Echoes: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/City-of-Echoes/Jessica-Warnberg/9781639365210 City of Echoes on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/City-Echoes-History-Popes-People/dp/1639365214/ref=sr_1_1?crid=P9OBCDM6DZD9&keywords=jessica+warnberg&qid=1694483147&sprefix=jessica+warn%2Caps%2C301&sr=8-1 Support Pontifacts: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/pontifactspod Paypal: paypal.me/pontifactspodcast Ko-fi: https://ko-fi.com/pontifactspod Amazon Wishlist: https://tinyurl.com/pontifactswishlist