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In this episode I have two guests.In the first half I talk to Chris Aubeck about his book 'Saucers: Tracing the Origins of Disc-Shaped UFOs'.Why does the term “flying saucer” appear in newspapers fifty years before UFOs were first sighted in 1947? Why did the original witness, Kenneth Arnold, insist he never saw disc-shaped objects at all? Can we find signs of disc-shaped objects through the ages? And have they become almost extinct today?In Saucers, veteran ufologist Chris Aubeck takes the reader on a deep dive into Arnold's own first-hand accounts and, for the first time, presents evidence that we might have been chasing the wrong flying objects all along.For anyone puzzled why saucers once flooded the skies yet scarcely appear now, Saucers sheds new light on the origins of this iconic symbol. No matter where you stand on this controversial issue, this book will challenge your views. There has never been a better time to be informed about how flying saucers became embedded in our culture.BioHis interest in the historical and sociological aspects of unexplained aerial phenomena began at an early age. A student of language and folklore, he has helped compile the largest collection of pre-1947 UFO cases in the world. He has spoken on his research in many articles and on public radio. In 2008 he was awarded a prize for his contributions to the field by the Spanish organization Fundación Anomalía.In 2003 Chris Aubeck co-founded a remarkable collaborative network of librarians, students and scholars of paranormal history on the Internet. This group, known as the Magoniax Project, extends from North and Central America to Russia and Germany. It has accumulated thousands of references, searched media archives in several languages, and gathered hundreds of rare documents, scientific reports, and newspaper clippings from the last 400 years.Amazon link https://amzn.to/3YNR0TSIn the second half of the episode Colette Lane talks about her book 'Northern Lights: True Stories of UFO Sightings, Paranormal Activity, Psychic Relationships'.Go along on a journey with the author as she explores the exciting and mysterious realms of the supernatural and psychic phenomena, UFOs, and extraterrestrial activity. This story is based on true events.Lane writes, “I didn’t give UFOs and extraterrestrials much of a thought back then, even after I saw them back in the early sixties and seventies. It was several years later that I started to recall past memories of UFO contact. And although I had been experiencing psychic ability and premonition from as far back as I can remember, it just seemed like a normal part of everyday life. This ability of intuition, ESP, ran very strong on my mother’s side of the family, being Gaelic and Celtic Irish, but also seemed to run on my father’s side. Everyone in my family has been born with this ability to some degree. I have always had a very deep sense of spiritualism knowing that there is something much greater and bigger out there in the universe than just ourselves.”Amazon link https://amzn.to/4dn6HG1 https://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/alienufopodcast