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Episode 34. While in Atlanta at the 2019 ISIT DBT conference, Ulland and Jo finish an interview with Izzy and Julianna, a mother-daughter dyad from a family they worked with over two years ago. They share what it was like to transition home and adjust to life as usual. They discuss how it was to be more congruent with emotion and far more skillful than before, sometimes in relationships that are not reinforcing of emotional vulnerability and effectiveness.