Why China is Primed for Economic Carnage Worse than the US Financial Crisis of 2008

In episode 8 of ECON 102, Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg discuss the factors brewing up a major crisis for China’s economy, and what this means for the US and other international powers. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/turpentine We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. -- Sponsors: GIVEWELL | DAFFY | NETSUITE  Have you ever wondered where your donation could have the most impact? GiveWell has now spent over 15 years researching charitable organizations and only directs funding to the highest impact opportunities they’ve found in global health and poverty alleviation. Make informed decisions about high-impact giving. If you’ve never donated through GiveWell before, you can have your donation matched up to $100 before the end of the year, or as long as matching funds last. To claim your match, go to givewell.org and pick “Podcast” and enter Econ 102 at checkout.  Daffy is the most modern and accessible donor-advised fund, making it easier to put money aside for charity. You can make your tax-deductible contributions all at once or set aside a little each week or month. And you don’t just have to donate cash, you can easily contribute stocks, ETFs, or crypto. Plus, you never have to track receipts from your donations again. It’s free to get started and Econ 102 listeners get $25 towards the charity of their choice. Daffy is offering Econ 102 listeners a free $25 for the charity of their choice when they join Daffy https://www.daffy.org/econ102  NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite http://netsuite.com/102 and download your own customized KPI checklist. -- Econ 102 is a part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: www.turpentine.co -- TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (01:37) Noah’s observations from his trip to Japan (03:03) Chinese Economic Carnage (04:09) Who is affected? (04:59) How will falling resource prices affect inflation? (14:12) China’s upcoming recession (16:41) China’s building investments need to stop (20:12) China’s paradox of thrift (20:57) China’s boomer republican leaders (21:39) What can China’s growth look like from here? (27:11) What are China’s options for allaying the unrest? (28:44) Extend and Pretend (29:26) Balaji was wrong about China as diplomatic power (33:18) China owns a Sri Lankan city now (34:04) When Noah was most bullish on China’s future: the Hu Jintao era (36:33) Xi JinPing as Stalin; Steve Ballmer (40:00) The revolution of rising expectations theory in American  (44:52) Spelling out our biggest fears about China (47:23) Successes in recent alliances: Japan and Korea alliances, India, Vietnam, (51:00) What are we watching for next? This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.