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How the end of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, known as DACA, is being framed as a legal matter — and how the Obama administration allowed that to happen. Guests: Peter Baker, who covers the White House; Cecilia Muñoz, who was President Barack Obama’s chief domestic policy adviser when he signed DACA. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.