From 6 Engineers to 2: Why Product and Engineering Are Merging
Beyond Coding15 Loka 2025

From 6 Engineers to 2: Why Product and Engineering Are Merging

What if the standard 6-person software team is now obsolete? AI tooling isn't just a productivity booster; it's fundamentally blurring the lines between product and engineering, enabling smaller, more powerful teams to achieve what once took an entire department.


We're joined by Kate Ivanova, a Product Manager with years of experience building AI products at Big Tech companies, to discuss this tectonic shift. She explains why the traditional handoff between disciplines is breaking down and what the new, merged "product-engineer" role looks like.


In this episode, we cover:

- Why AI enables smaller teams to have a massive impact

- The merging roles of Product, Engineering, and Design

- What skills make you one of the indispensable "2 engineers"

- How to structure and manage a hyper-efficient, AI-native team


This is a must-watch for founders building lean companies, and for engineers and PMs who want to understand their evolving role in the age of AI.


Timestamps:

00:00:00 - Intro

00:00:57 - Are Agile Processes Obsolete in the Age of AI?

00:02:46 - Why Product Managers Are Redefining Team Processes

00:04:35 - The Mindset You Need for AI Product Development

00:07:54 - How AI Is Forcing Product and Engineering Closer Together

00:11:26 - Using AI as Your Personal Feedback Co-Pilot

00:15:23 - The Critical Mistake to Avoid When Using AI for Product

00:20:45 - The Ideal AI Product Team Composition of the Future

00:26:10 - The New Expectations for Software Engineers in the AI Era

00:32:05 - A Better Way to Manage Tech Debt and Developer Happiness

00:34:46 - What Truly Makes Developers Happy at Work

00:37:43 - Co-Creating a Vision That Actually Motivates Your Team

00:40:59 - How to Receive Tough Feedback as a Growth Opportunity

00:45:37 - The Painful Decision to Kill a Failing Project

00:48:44 - The Most Important Skill for the AI Era

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