ZONE 7: Procedural Chaos: Inside the Mangione Hearing That’s Putting Police Training on Trial

ZONE 7: Procedural Chaos: Inside the Mangione Hearing That’s Putting Police Training on Trial

In this week’s Crime Roundup, Sheryl McCollum and Joshua Schiffer Break down the federal hearing surrounding Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in December of 2024. What began as a five-day manhunt has become a master class in what not to do, with missed warrants, coached testimony, and evidence on the verge of being thrown out.

Sheryl and Joshua examine how procedural missteps could weaken a potential death penalty case and why “get a warrant” isn't just good advice; it's the foundation of justice. They then turned their attention to Massachusetts, where the trial of Brian Walshe, who is accused of killing and dismembering his wife, reveals how arrogance, lies, and a trail of Google searches can expose a killer's truth.

Highlights:

• (0:00) Welcome to Crime Roundup with Sheryl McCollum and Joshua Schiffer

• (0:15) "99 percent of the time, you need a warrant... it won’t hurt your case if you get one and don’t need it.”

• (4:00) Coached testimony and the danger of tailoring officer statements for admissibility

• (7:30) What happens when training, procedure, and pressure collide in the courtroom

• (9:00) How early media leaks and “pre-trial publicity” can poison a case before it begins

• (10:30) The potential collapse of key evidence and its impact on death penalty eligibility

• (12:15) The rules of criminal procedure and what it means when they don’t apply equally

• (17:15) The defense’s dream scenario: getting the weapon suppressed because of a“bad stop”

• (17:45) The Brian Walshe trail and the anatomy of a cover-up

• (19:30) Walshe’s “woke up and she was dead” defense and why it’s collapsing in court

• (21:45) The digital trail: how Google searches reveal motive, method, and mindset

• (23:00) Closing thoughts: why “get a warrant” isn’t optional, it’s the rule of law

About the Hosts

Joshua Schiffer is a veteran trial attorney and one of the Southeast’s most respected legal voices. He is a founding partner at ChancoSchiffer P.C., where he has litigated high-stakes criminal, civil rights, and personal injury cases for over two decades. Known for his bold courtroom presence and ability to clearly explain complex legal issues, Schiffer is a frequent media contributor and a fearless advocate for accountability.


Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an active crime scene investigator for a Metro Atlanta Police Department and the director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, which partners with colleges and universities nationwide. With more than 4 decades of experience, she has worked on thousands of cold cases using her investigative system, The Last 24/361, which integrates evidence, media, and advanced forensic testing. Her work on high-profile cases, including The Boston Strangler, Natalie Holloway, Tupac Shakur and the Moore’s Ford Bridge lynching, earned her an Emmy Award for CSI: Atlanta and induction into the National Law Enforcement Hall of Fame in 2023.

Preorder Sheryl’s upcoming book, Swans Don’t Swim in a Sewer: Lessons in Life,Justice, and Joy from a Forensic Scientist, releasing May 2026 from Simon and Schuster.

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Swans-Dont-Swim-in-a-Sewer/Sheryl-Mac-McCollum/9798895652824

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"He Shot me on Purpose": 9yo Drops Bombshell After 10yo Bestie Blasts Him in Playdate Bloodbath| Crime Alert 6AM 01.22.2026

"He Shot me on Purpose": 9yo Drops Bombshell After 10yo Bestie Blasts Him in Playdate Bloodbath| Crime Alert 6AM 01.22.2026

A 9yo exposes his 10yo bestie's shocking betrayal after he's shot on purpose! The monster behind a massacre that left 5 people dead, including his own brother, makes a plea flip before trial. Plus, a dad schools his teen son that blood ain't thicker than the law! Jennifer Gould reports. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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'LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRE' STAR SOBS IN COURT OVER SEX CHARGES

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21 Tammi 18min

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In Lebanon County, Pennsylvania, Chazzity Candelario says she was trying to keep her son from eating too many hot dogs when she chained him to an oil tank. A Louisiana child abuse case is unfolding after a kindergarten age boy is found dead weighing less than a house cat, and investigators say his parents starved him to death. Human trafficking fears intensify in the search for a missing Texas teenager after a nonprofit group says it received a phone call believed to be from the girl herself. Drew Nelson reports.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

21 Tammi 7min

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Michael McKee's charges are upgraded to four counts of aggravated murder in the deaths of his ex-wife, Monique Tepe, and her husband, Spencer. The indictment specifies that the firearm used by McKee was equipped with a muffler or suppressor, commonly referred to as a "silencer." McKee also faces an additional charge of aggravated burglary for allegedly breaking into the Tepe home to commit the murders. Police say McKee is the person captured on video walking in the alley behind the Tepe home between 2 a.m. and 5 a.m. the morning of the murders. Using license plate reader data and surveillance technology, detectives track McKee's vehicle traveling approximately 325 miles from Illinois to Columbus, Ohio, arriving shortly before the murders and leaving soon after. Investigators have yet to mention a motive for the murders, labeling the killings as "domestic violence-related." McKee and Monique were married for a short period of time and have been divorced since 2017, but a clerical error caused the divorce case to receive a new hearing date, appearing on the docket for this past June and showing a trial date for September, just three months before the murders. When court officials determine it is a clerical error, the court date for September is cancelled.​ Joining Nancy Grace: Darryl Cohen - Former Assistant District Attorney (Fulton County, Georgia) Former Assistant State Attorney (Florida), Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen; Facebook: "Darryl B Cohen"/X: @DarrylBCohen Caryn Stark - Forensic Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Dan Murphy - Former NYPD Detective-Sergeant (conducted hundreds of interrogations), Co-Host of "Gold Shields" Podcast, and Author: “Workplace Safety: Establishing an Effective Violence Prevention Program” Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" Instagram @JoScottForensic Susan Hendricks - Journalist, Author of “Down the Hill: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi;" IG @susan_hendricks X @SusanHendicks Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories' See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

20 Tammi 45min

A Dispute Turns Deadly: Missouri Man Says He Shot His Neighbor in Self-Defense | Crime Alert 6AM 01.20.26

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A Missouri man is charged with gunning down his neighbor in a violent confrontation that ended a lengthy history of harassment. A Tennessee church deacon was arrested and charged with nine counts of especially aggravated sexual exploitation of a minor after his wife found photos and videos on his phone of a teenage babysitter using their bathroom. A US Bureau of Land Management officer has been charged with second degree murder after a drunken brawl at a Wyoming bar last week left a man dead. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

20 Tammi 6min

KILLER O.J. SIMPSON SPIED ON MY SOFA SEX SESSION WITH NICOLE

KILLER O.J. SIMPSON SPIED ON MY SOFA SEX SESSION WITH NICOLE

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19 Tammi 49min

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