CZM Rewind: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult & The Zizians: Birth of a Cult Leader
Behind the Bastards30 Joulu 2025

CZM Rewind: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult & The Zizians: Birth of a Cult Leader

Part One: Earlier this year a Border Patrol officer was killed in a shoot-out with people who have been described as members of a trans vegan AI death cult. But who are the Zizians, really? Robert sits down with David Gborie to trace their development, from part of the Bay Area Rationalist subculture to killers.

Part Two: Robert tells David Gborie about the early life of Ziz LaSota, a bright young girl from Alaska who came to the Bay Area with dreams of saving the cosmos or destroying it, all based on her obsession with Rationalist blogs and fanfic.

Sources:

  1. https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509
  2. https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130318/https://sinceriously.fyi/rationalist-fleet/
  3. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/infohazard
  4. https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130316/https://sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/
  5. Wayback Machine
  6. The Zizians
  7. Spectral Sight
  8. True Hero Contract
  9. Schelling Orders – Sinceriously
  10. Glossary – Sinceriously
  11. https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130330/https://sinceriously.fyi/my-journey-to-the-dark-side/
  12. https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130302/https://sinceriously.fyi/glossary/#zentraidon
  13. https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130259/https://sinceriously.fyi/vampires-and-more-undeath/
  14. https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130316/https://sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/
  15. https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130318/https://sinceriously.fyi/rationalist-fleet/
  16. https://x.com/orellanin?s=21&t=F-n6cTZFsKgvr1yQ7oHXRg
  17. https://zizians.info/
  18. according to The Boston Globe
  19. Inside the ‘Zizians’: How a cultish crew of radical vegans became linked to killings across the United States | The Independent
  20. Silicon Valley ‘Rationalists’ Linked to 6 Deaths
  21. The Delirious, Violent, Impossible True Story of the Zizians | WIRED
  22. Good Group and Pasek’s Doom – Sinceriously
  23. Glossary – Sinceriously
  24. Mana – Sinceriously
  25. Effective Altruism’s Problems Go Beyond Sam Bankman-Fried - Bloomberg
  26. The Zizian Facts - Google Docs
  27. Several free CFAR summer programs on rationality and AI safety - LessWrong 2.0 viewer
  28. This guy thinks killing video game characters is immoral | Vox
  29. Inadequate Equilibria: Where and How Civilizations Get Stuck
  30. Eliezer Yudkowsky comments on On Terminal Goals and Virtue Ethics - LessWrong 2.0 viewer
  31. Effective Altruism’s Problems Go Beyond Sam Bankman-Fried - Bloomberg
  32. SquirrelInHell: Happiness Is a Chore
  33. PLUM OF DISCORD — I Became a Full-time Internet Pest and May Not...
  34. Roko Harassment of PlumOfDiscord Composited – Sinceriously
  35. Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare – Sinceriously
  36. Infohazardous Glossary – Sinceriously
  37. SquirrelInHell-Decision-Theory-and-Suicide.pdf - Google Drive
  38. The Matrix is a System – Sinceriously
  39. A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and… | by SefaShapiro | Medium
  40. Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare – Sinceriously
  41. A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and… | by SefaShapiro | Medium
  42. PLUM OF DISCORD (Posts tagged cw-abuse)
  43. Timeline: Violence surrounding the Zizians leading to Border Patrol agent shooting

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