Ep. 254: Zooey Deschanel | Her Secret Identity + The Journey of She & Him

Today's guest is one of the most recognizable faces of her generation — an actor whose voice you'd know in a single frame. But her real story isn't the one you've watched. It's the one she kept secret: for 20 years she's been a songwriter, and barely anyone — even people who know her — knew it.

This is one of the more honest conversations we've had about being underestimated — as an actor who "couldn't" really be a musician, and as a woman the industry assumed didn't write her own songs — and about what it costs to keep making things purely because you love them.

And The Writer Is... Zooey Deschanel of She & Him!

In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:

• Why she erased social media off her own devices
• The "industry plant" myth — why the industry "can't make anything happen" anymore
• Being told "you'll never make a record, no one will take you seriously" as an actor
• Her "secret agent" identity
• The misogyny she goes to bat against
• Her North Star she chases
• And much more...
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Chapters

0:00 Intro

1:00 Meet Zooey Deschanel

1:51 Writing alone — and erasing social media to do it

4:49 Why the "industry plant" is a myth

6:37 "You'll never be taken seriously as a musician"

7:25 Her secret identity as a songwriter

11:15 How She & Him released with no name attached

13:01 "I Thought I Saw Your Face Today" — never a single, now #1 on TikTok

15:35 The story behind writing "I Thought I Saw Your Face Today"

17:24 Her dad, the records, and growing up musical

22:44 Brian Wilson, Gershwin, and the Great American Songbook

26:13 Five desert island albums

28:21 Why "A Hard Day's Night" beats the White Album

30:16 Teaching herself piano at six

32:46 Writing her first song at ten

38:42 "I identify as a songwriter, not an actor"

42:15 Dropping out of Northwestern

45:59 A word from our lead sponsor, NMPA

49:23 Finding her voice in the studio — the mic chain

51:56 Recording with Brian Wilson & the gifted mic

55:57 Why she never sold out — turning in finished records

67:03 The lonely sets where her first two records were written

69:35 Almost Famous & Cameron Crowe

72:50 "I'm allergic to selling myself"

76:19 Nobody believes a woman writes her own songs

79:00 Writing for other artists & how publishing splits really work

82:07 Why she loves writing Christmas songs

84:24 500 Days of Summer & music in film

88:36 The songwriting trick: "What if I am her?"

93:21 Dyslexia, reading scripts & why melody sticks

94:56 Why she doesn't do more theater

98:38 Staying clean through party-era Hollywood

100:50 M. Ward — 20 years, never one fight

109:57 Writing alone when everyone's afraid to

111:43 The biggest misconception about her

114:18 Finding your North Star

Credits:

Hosted by Ross Golan

Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad

Edited by Jad Saad

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