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In this episode of "Reality Check," Ross Coulthart sits down with theoretical physicist and philosopher of physics Maaneli Derakhshani for a long look at the anomalous features cataloged across the moon, Phobos and the surface of Mars. The conversation opens with Lue Elizondo's remarks on lunar anomalies, then works outward to the Phobos 2 spacecraft and the object NASA's own mission literature once described as a monolith along with the reason SETI took that object seriously enough to study.

From there, Max walks Ross through the imagery that has drawn the most attention on Mars, from the so-called glass worm to the rectilinear formations near the Atlantis basin, applying the same fractal analysis that NASA and the Department of Defense use to separate natural terrain from engineered structures. Grounding the discussion in Carl Sagan's own standards for searching for evidence of past life, Max makes the case that some of these features deserve to be treated as genuine open questions rather than tricks of light and shadow.

Also featured in this episode is the work of Jean Ward, Independent Mars Researcher, a colleague of Dr. Derakhshani's whose work can be found at https://www.youtube.com/jeanward and https://megalithicmars.com/

CREDITS

Host: Ross Coulthart

Executive Producer: Andy Gipson

Editorial Producer: Meagan Ourada

Segment Producer: Christine Jenkinson

Associate Producer: Will Tomasi

Research Producer: Rob Jones

Editor: Anthony Diasio

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CHAPTERS

0:00 Intro

0:41 A Word from Our Sponsor

3:06 Elizondo, Lunar Anomalies, and What Might Be on the Moon

4:30 Artificial Ruins and the Clementine Mission

5:35 Turning to Mars, and the Phobos 2 Spacecraft

8:03 The Marina Popovich Photo

12:04 "Wouldn't It Be Sad if Putin Disclosed First?"

12:53 Camera Glitch or Real Object? What Analysts Say Off the Record

16:21 The PRIME Mission and the Object NASA Called a Monolith

20:42 Buzz Aldrin on the Phobos Monolith

26:01 A Roscosmos Quote, and a Nature Study on a Craft That Was Hit

30:13 Rendering a Structure 35 to 40 Meters Tall

34:29 Why SETI Took Phobos Seriously, and Aldrin's Observation Point

38:16 When Mars Had an Earth-Like Atmosphere, and Clarke's "2001"

41:35 To the Surface, What Actually Looks Anomalous on Mars

45:55 The Glass Worm, the Sand-Dune Debunk, and Mike Bara's Breakdown

52:38 The Space Act of 1958, and Who Controls Mars Imagery?

58:51 Aram Chaos, Run Through a Fractal Filter

60:09 So, Are They Artificial? Max Speculates

1:02:15 Three Anomalies, the Work of Jean Ward

1:05:33 Is Extrapolating Like This Legitimate? Sagan's Standard

1:10:46 Is Any of This Just Pareidolia?

1:12:50 Right Angles Near the Atlantis Basin, and What NASA Calls Chaos Terrain

1:17:12 Cities, Villages, Civilization? Max Answers Plainly

1:19:07 The Algorithms, and Who Else Runs Them

1:25:13 Buried Structures in Renaudot Crater

1:30:42 The Face on Mars, Sagan's Letter, and an Open Mind on "Cosmos"

1:37:01 Cydonia, How Big the Face Is, and Why NASA Landed Elsewhere

1:41:02 A Mimetolith, More Structures, and the Geometry Between Them

1:48:54 Wrapping Up, and an Invitation Back