Will Agentic AI Bring Fantasia’s Sorcerer's Apprentice to Life?: A Conversation with Tracy Bannon

In this podcast, Michael Stiefel spoke to Tracy Bannon about the role of artificial intelligence in software and the attendant risks in the areas of security, software development, and society at large. While it might be reasonable to assume a certain amount of trust within a software ecosystem, the risks escalate when the boundary between two software ecosystems is crossed. Bannon emphasized that the discovery and exploitation of software vulnerabilities by AI is not a new issue, but it is just part of the evolution of cybersecurity threats. The discussion then continued to highlight that the traditional software development process was designed for humans. What the SDLC looks like in a world of agentic development has yet to be determined. Among the many challenges is testing an agent that is non-deterministic and whose behavior changes as it is tested, and reinitializing the test environment at the appropriate time. The use of AI agents has imposed a tremendous cognitive load on software professionals because they must review the massive amount of code and documents that an AI agent can generate. For both software professionals, and the public at large, the overreliance on artificial intelligence is leading to diminishing human skills, especially in complex domains. The question is - are we outsourcing our intelligence to automated models? Read a transcript of this interview: https://bit.ly/4qeyr70 Newsletter: Subscribe to the Software Architects' Newsletter, a monthly roundup of the patterns and technologies senior practitioners are working through, with the news and lessons from people doing the work: https://www.infoq.com/software-architects-newsletter InfoQ Online Certification Programs: 5-week online cohorts for senior engineers and architects, built around QCon talks. Programs now cover software architecture, AI engineering, and organizational architecture. Each week you join a four-hour live session with a confidential peer group of practitioners from other companies, apply frameworks from QCon talks to the decisions you're making at work, and earn an InfoQ certification. You leave with new approaches, or confirmation that the calls you're already making are the right ones. Learn more: https://certification.qconferences.com/ Upcoming Events: QCon San Francisco 2026 (November 16-20, 2026) https://qconsf.com/ QCon London 2027 (April 13-16, 2027) https://qconlondon.com/ The InfoQ Podcasts: Weekly conversations with senior software leaders about how they build systems and teams, including what they'd do differently. Listen to all our podcasts and read interview transcripts: The InfoQ Podcast: https://www.infoq.com/podcasts/ Engineering Culture Podcast by InfoQ: https://www.infoq.com/podcasts/#engineering_culture Generally AI: https://www.infoq.com/generally-ai-podcast/ Follow InfoQ: Mastodon: https://techhub.social/@infoq X: https://x.com/InfoQ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/infoq/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/InfoQdotcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/infoqdotcom/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/infoq Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/infoq.com Write for InfoQ: Share what you've learned building software with a community of senior practitioners, and get your work in front of the people who read InfoQ. https://www.infoq.com/write-for-infoq