Episode 49: The Aesthetics of Environmental Catastrophe with Gwenola Wagon & Pierre Cassou-Noguès
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Episode 49: The Aesthetics of Environmental Catastrophe with Gwenola Wagon & Pierre Cassou-Noguès

Scott Rettberg sits down with philosopher Pierre Cassou-Noguès and artist-researcher Gwenola Wagon to discuss their collaborative theory-fiction book, The Pyromaniac Images (Les Images Pyromanes). Inspired by the 2022 Lande region megafires, they explore how social media and generative AI make ecological catastrophes simultaneously hyper-visible and curiously invisible. The conversation examines the energy costs of AI imagery as a form of "pyromaniac" spectacle, the role of kitsch and banality in generative media, and how speculative fiction can serve as a critical tool for navigating contemporary technological transformation.

References

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Cassou-Noguès, P., & Wagon, G. (2019). Erewhon [Experimental Film].

Cassou-Noguès, P., & Wagon, G. (2021). Virus Island [Film and Book Project].

Cassou-Noguès, P., & Wagon, G. (2025/2026). The Pyromaniac Images: Theory-Fiction of Generative AI [Trans. J. Langan & E. Tapping]. UV Éditions / Set Margins'.

Ghosh, A. (2016). The Great Derangement: Climate Change and the Unthinkable. University of Chicago Press.

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Stiegler, B. (2010). Taking Care of Youth and the Generations. Stanford University Press.


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