453 What If the Environment Is the Problem? Rethinking School After Amy Zwiep

What if the environment students learn in matters just as much as what they’re being taught?

In this recap episode of the Disrupt Education Podcast, Peter Hostrawser and Allie Dahl revisit their conversation with Amy Zwiep of Bethel Community Education and unpack the ideas that continued to challenge them after the interview.

They explore why learner environment, student voice, trust, curiosity, ownership, and relationships may be some of the most important—and most overlooked—parts of education.

Peter reflects on a system that often teaches students what to learn before teaching them how to learn, and connects Amy’s model to the durable skills he sees students needing in internships and the professional world: problem solving, critical thinking, collaboration, self-advocacy, adaptability, and ownership.

Allie shares powerful examples from her own teaching experience showing how the same students can act completely differently depending on the environment created around them. Together, they question why schools often prioritize control, curriculum pacing, and compliance over the conditions that actually help learners feel safe enough to take risks, make mistakes, and grow.

The conversation also tackles middle school design, recess, read-alouds, multi-age learning, trust, failure, teacher experimentation, and what it means to truly “disrupt from within.”

You don’t have to start a new school to rethink education.

Sometimes the biggest changes begin with one classroom, one relationship, one experiment, and one educator willing to ask:

What kind of environment am I creating for learners?

This episode is for educators, parents, administrators, and anyone who believes students deserve more than simply being told what to do next.

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