Ep #9: The Web Before Google: Liam Quin on HoTMetaL, XML, and the First Web Standards
Rule-Breakers3 Marras 2025

Ep #9: The Web Before Google: Liam Quin on HoTMetaL, XML, and the First Web Standards

The latest episode of Rule-Breakers features Liam Quin a pioneering figure in the world of electronic publishing and generalized markup. In this conversation, we learn about Liam’s journey from a childhood fascination with typesetting that started with the fonts used in his copy of The Lord of the Rings, to a lifelong passion for digital documents that included working at the W3C on the XML standard.
Liam and Sean explore the early days of structured content, the massive buzz that surrounded the emergence of the Web, the early Mosaic web browser, the world’s first HTML editor (HoTMetaL) and much more.

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Ep #14: Information Architecture and Structured Documents in an AI world

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Ep #8: The evolution of structured data formats — from XML to AI with Anthony Coates

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