38: What Kinds Of Forensic Evidence Will Be Key In Gilgo Beach Murders Case?

Could the wife of an alleged serial killer be tone-deaf to the unfolding tragedy or is she hiding something more sinister? This question looms large in the latest episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers," where Tony Brueski delves into the murky waters of the Long Island serial killer case, with special guest, Defense Attorney and host of the podcast Defense Diaries, Bob Motta.    The central figure of discussion? Asa Ellerup, the estranged wife of Rex Heuermann, the man under the scanner for the Long Island serial killings. In a twist that's baffled many, Ellerup is fighting to reclaim the 300 guns confiscated by law enforcement from their home, arguing they're marital property worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.    Brueski captures the absurdity of the situation succinctly, “We're talking about your husband being accused of being the Long Island serial killer, and you want guns back from your house, which may have been used in a crime?" Motta, sharing Brueski's skepticism, questioned the reasonability of such a request, pointing out, "Law enforcement is not going to care that she wants the guns so that she can sell them. They’ve got bigger issues.”    Brueski and Motta's discussion dives deeper than just the firearms. They paint a picture of a woman seemingly oblivious or indifferent to the gravity of the crimes her husband is accused of. Brueski notes her behavior as being "almost tone-deaf" to the surrounding trauma. He expresses disbelief at her lack of empathy and sympathy towards the victims, an attitude far removed from what one might expect of someone in her situation. Instead of showing solidarity with the grieving families, Ellerup has embarked on a public plea for financial support, even starting a GoFundMe to secure funds.    This approach to the media circus surrounding her is what has set alarms ringing for Motta. Drawing a comparison to past significant others of serial killers, Motta notes, “With this one, I just don’t know. If she wasn’t saying anything, my opinion would probably be she had no idea. But the more she talks, the more it's like... It’s like the more she talks, the more I think she might’ve been complicit, had knowledge.”    The fact that Ellerup has captured almost as much media attention as her husband, the alleged serial killer, is a point both Brueski and Motta find puzzling. Motta articulates his discomfort, saying, "It gives me a really weird feeling about her. It’s not the same vibe that I get from any other survivor family member.”    The pair also touched upon past cases, including that of Carol, wife of a previous serial killer, who seemed far removed from the crimes her husband committed. Brueski emphasized the perplexity in Ellerup's situation, musing about how spouses might react upon discovering the dark secrets of their other halves: “How didn't the wife know? What did you think he was doing?”    Concluding the discussion, Motta underscores the role of legal counsel in such situations. He opines that if he were Ellerup's attorney, he'd advise caution and discretion, especially given the gravity of her husband's alleged crimes. "At the end of the day, it could turn some eyes towards you,” warns Motta, underscoring the potential repercussions of her continued public behavior.    As the case continues to unravel, one can't help but wonder: Is Asa Ellerup merely an unsuspecting partner caught in a whirlwind, or is there more to her story than meets the eye? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

19 Syys 20238min

When criminal activities unfold, the spotlight often falls on the perpetrator. However, sometimes it veers, illuminating the shadowy figures surrounding the central character. In the curious case of Rex Heuermann, accused of heinous crimes, it's not just him but also his estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, who's now grabbing headlines.   Rex Heuermann's story is a web of accusations involving countless crimes against sex workers, but it's Asa's recent plea that's left many baffled. Attorney and former Federal prosecutor, Neama Rahmani, shared his shock on the "Hidden Killers" podcast with host Tony Brueski, exclaiming, “I couldn't believe it, Tony, when I first read it. I'm like, this has to be a joke, right?”    For those uninitiated, Asa Ellerup is demanding the return of nearly 300 guns seized from their family home. Citing them as marital property, she argues they're worth hundreds of thousands. The issue? Her husband is embroiled in a major investigation, and these weapons may well serve as crucial evidence. Tony aptly puts it, "There's no guidebook to it, but there is just human decency."    Rahmani questioned Ellerup's seemingly oblivious behavior, pointing to the lack of empathy displayed towards the victims of her husband’s alleged crimes. He goes on to detail the bizarre nature of their household - the decrepit condition of their house which many feel should be condemned, her constant altercations with the press, and her persistent legal endeavors to reclaim the aforementioned weapons.    But the depth of Heuermann’s arsenal is what particularly unnerves Rahmani. From Uzis to Tommy guns, many of these weapons not only breach New York's stringent gun laws but also hint at a deeper, more sinister narrative. As Rahmani puts it, “If she didn't know that her husband was involved in killing sex workers, I have a very hard time believing that she didn't have knowledge that he was at least seeing them and engaged in other shady activity.”    Ellerup’s defense seems fragile at best. Claiming to be out of town every time her husband committed a crime doesn’t exactly sit well. While Rahmani clarifies he isn’t accusing her, he insists that “if she was getting good advice, she would really sort of keep her mouth shut.”    The deeper question might be, is Asa Ellerup's audacious behavior a sign of sheer ignorance, or is there an underlying story yet to be unveiled? While the court of public opinion may already be casting its verdict, it's evident that this tale has more layers to be unfurled.    It begs the ponderous question, in cases so intricately woven with darkness and deception, can we ever truly discern the bystanders from the perpetrators? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

18 Syys 20236min

Public perceptions play a crucial role in high-profile criminal cases. In the recent episode of "Hidden Killers," Tony Brueski, in conversation with Robin Dreeke, retired FBI Special Agent, unveils the intricate dynamics surrounding Asa Ellerup, wife of the suspected serial killer, Rex Heuermann. Their conversation sheds light on Ellerup's peculiar requests and actions following her husband's arrest, raising unsettling questions about her relationship with Heuermann and the nature of her public appearances.    "Ever since all this transpired, we've been keenly observing his family, especially since they've been so prominently visible," Brueski remarked. One peculiar detail that emerged was Ellerup's request to retrieve the hundreds of guns confiscated from their property. "She claims they're marital property, potentially worth hundreds of thousands," Brueski notes. However, with an active investigation on her husband in the backdrop, such a demand seems out of place.    Ellerup's motivations and the nature of her relationship with Heuermann remain shrouded in mystery. "I don't find it strange that she's in need of money or is attempting to reclaim property," Brueski contemplates. "But the essence of their relationship, its intricacies, that's what's truly baffling."    Brueski further recalled a report illustrating Heuermann's concerning behavior, where he obsessively stalked a co-worker. This raises pressing questions about Ellerup's awareness or involvement in her husband's actions. Dreeke chimes in with a compelling theory: "Could it be trauma bonding?" This psychological phenomenon occurs when victims develop a sense of loyalty or affection (often mistaken for love) towards their abusers due to the cycle of violence.    Dreeke observes, "We're only getting small glimpses of her, mostly when she's raising complaints. We need to understand her motivations, her background, her life's arc." This perspective is essential, especially when public optics present her mostly as a victim.    The conversation takes a turn as they delve deeper into Heuermann's choice in Ellerup as a partner. Dreeke postulates, "To maintain his façade, he would need a partner who's non-emotional, pragmatic, and importantly, not a deep thinker." This leads to an understanding that Ellerup was potentially chosen as she was less likely to question or challenge Heuermann's behaviors.    Another intriguing revelation is Ellerup's swift decision to divorce Heuermann once his alleged crimes came to light. "Was the divorce a reaction to public disclosure, or was it her realization of his true nature?" Brueski ponders. The duo surmise that while Ellerup might be attempting to use public opinion for sympathy, her strategies might be backfiring due to a lack of experience.    Despite the numerous theories, the true nature of their relationship remains speculative. As Dreeke aptly summarizes, "It's easy to armchair quarterback this, but the optics thus far haven't been very favorable."    The "Hidden Killers" podcast episode offers a unique perspective into the complex layers surrounding high-profile criminal cases. Beyond the primary suspect, the lives and actions of their close family members also come under scrutiny, leading to a web of theories and speculations. Asa Ellerup, with her puzzling requests and opaque motivations, undoubtedly adds another layer of mystery to the enigma that is the Heuermann case. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

18 Syys 20237min

Welcome to the "Week In Review," where we delve into the true stories behind this week's headlines. Your host, Tony Brueski, joins hands with a rotating roster of guests, sharing their insights and analysis on a collection of intriguing, perplexing, and often chilling stories that made the news.       This is not your average news recap. With the sharp investigative lens of Tony and his guests, the show uncovers layers beneath the headlines, offering a comprehensive perspective that traditional news can often miss. From high-profile criminal trials to in-depth examinations of ongoing investigations, this podcast takes listeners on a fascinating journey through the world of true crime and current events.       Each episode navigates through multiple stories, illuminating their details with factual reporting, expert commentary, and engaging conversation. Tony and his guests discuss each case's nuances, complexities, and human elements, delivering a multi-dimensional understanding to their audience.  Whether you are a dedicated follower of true crime or an everyday listener interested in the stories shaping our world, the "Week In Review" brings you the perfect balance of intrigue, information, and intelligent conversation. Expect thoughtful analysis, informed opinions, and thought-provoking discussions beyond the 24-hour news cycle. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

17 Syys 20236min

Welcome to the "Week In Review," where we delve into the true stories behind this week's headlines. Your host, Tony Brueski, joins hands with a rotating roster of guests, sharing their insights and analysis on a collection of intriguing, perplexing, and often chilling stories that made the news.       This is not your average news recap. With the sharp investigative lens of Tony and his guests, the show uncovers layers beneath the headlines, offering a comprehensive perspective that traditional news can often miss. From high-profile criminal trials to in-depth examinations of ongoing investigations, this podcast takes listeners on a fascinating journey through the world of true crime and current events.       Each episode navigates through multiple stories, illuminating their details with factual reporting, expert commentary, and engaging conversation. Tony and his guests discuss each case's nuances, complexities, and human elements, delivering a multi-dimensional understanding to their audience.  Whether you are a dedicated follower of true crime or an everyday listener interested in the stories shaping our world, the "Week In Review" brings you the perfect balance of intrigue, information, and intelligent conversation. Expect thoughtful analysis, informed opinions, and thought-provoking discussions beyond the 24-hour news cycle. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

17 Syys 20237min

Welcome to the "Week In Review," where we delve into the true stories behind this week's headlines. Your host, Tony Brueski, joins hands with a rotating roster of guests, sharing their insights and analysis on a collection of intriguing, perplexing, and often chilling stories that made the news.       This is not your average news recap. With the sharp investigative lens of Tony and his guests, the show uncovers layers beneath the headlines, offering a comprehensive perspective that traditional news can often miss. From high-profile criminal trials to in-depth examinations of ongoing investigations, this podcast takes listeners on a fascinating journey through the world of true crime and current events.       Each episode navigates through multiple stories, illuminating their details with factual reporting, expert commentary, and engaging conversation. Tony and his guests discuss each case's nuances, complexities, and human elements, delivering a multi-dimensional understanding to their audience.  Whether you are a dedicated follower of true crime or an everyday listener interested in the stories shaping our world, the "Week In Review" brings you the perfect balance of intrigue, information, and intelligent conversation. Expect thoughtful analysis, informed opinions, and thought-provoking discussions beyond the 24-hour news cycle. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Syys 202310min

Welcome to the "Week In Review," where we delve into the true stories behind this week's headlines. Your host, Tony Brueski, joins hands with a rotating roster of guests, sharing their insights and analysis on a collection of intriguing, perplexing, and often chilling stories that made the news.       This is not your average news recap. With the sharp investigative lens of Tony and his guests, the show uncovers layers beneath the headlines, offering a comprehensive perspective that traditional news can often miss. From high-profile criminal trials to in-depth examinations of ongoing investigations, this podcast takes listeners on a fascinating journey through the world of true crime and current events.       Each episode navigates through multiple stories, illuminating their details with factual reporting, expert commentary, and engaging conversation. Tony and his guests discuss each case's nuances, complexities, and human elements, delivering a multi-dimensional understanding to their audience.  Whether you are a dedicated follower of true crime or an everyday listener interested in the stories shaping our world, the "Week In Review" brings you the perfect balance of intrigue, information, and intelligent conversation. Expect thoughtful analysis, informed opinions, and thought-provoking discussions beyond the 24-hour news cycle. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Syys 20238min

The enigmatic case of Rex Heuermann takes another complex twist as former FBI Special Agent and regular "Hidden Killers" contributor, Jennifer Coffindaffer, joins host Tony Brueski for a deep dive into the current speculations. Their discussion addresses the weight of eyewitness testimony, investigates family involvement, and explores the intricacies surrounding the crime scenes. As the conversation unfolds, questions on credibility, potential oversights, and inherent challenges in piecing together a decade-long puzzle emerge.    Tony Brueski initiates the dialogue, referencing John Ray, the attorney for some of the Gilgo Beach victims and for the Heuermann family. Ray has been explicit about his concerns regarding the Heuermann family, especially Asa Ellerup, suggesting a closer investigation into their potential involvement. Ray posits that this might be a "large criminal enterprise" that Heuermann is a part of. However, the attorney representing the Heuermann family was quick to dismiss these allegations, viewing them as a mere "thirst for the spotlight."    Navigating through past events, Brueski delves into the era predating Heuermann’s involvement, focusing on the unsolved mystery of the Gilgo Beach victims. The debate centers on whether it's prudent to cast a wider net of suspicion that includes Asa Ellerup and other close acquaintances of Heuermann. Coffindaffer chimes in with her seasoned perspective, affirming the need for a thorough investigation. "They would be remiss not to," she asserts, emphasizing that the authorities would undoubtedly "take a look at anyone and everyone that could have been complicit."    The speculation surrounding the crimes possibly occurring at Heuermann’s residence becomes another focal point of their conversation. While some argue for this theory, citing its simplicity, Coffindaffer reminds listeners that there's no confirmation either way. If the crimes did happen within that household, the implications would be dire. Yet, in the absence of concrete evidence, she articulates the need to explore all possible scenarios.    Shifting gears, Brueski introduces another layer of intrigue with the Julia Ann Bean case in South Carolina. A statement from Bean’s daughter, upon seeing Heuermann’s photograph, asserted that he was the last man she saw with her mother. The reliability of such eyewitness testimonies becomes a topic of contention. Coffindaffer elaborates, "Literally, the least reliable information in conducting a case is eyewitness testimony." While acknowledging Heuermann’s distinctive appearance could bolster the credibility of such claims, she reiterates the paramount importance of independent corroboration.    The broader narrative from this "Hidden Killers" episode encapsulates the challenges and intricacies inherent in high-profile investigations. Coffindaffer's insights underscore the need for meticulous scrutiny, a balanced approach, and the value of corroboration in weaving together a credible narrative. As the Rex Heuermann case continues to unravel, audiences and investigators alike are left grappling with the complexities of discerning truth amidst a sea of conjectures. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

15 Syys 20236min