Jim Zartman Interview on Enneagram Health

Eight Health #1: Jim is the co-founder of The Art of Growth, and co-hosts an enneagram panels podcast also called The Art of Growth. 4:00: Forced transformational moments. "I did not do it on purpose... I wouldn't have gone here willingly. It had to be forced on me." 7:30: Eight denial. "The starting point isn't to crack it all open, but to know it's safe to do so." 11:10 Betrayal. "It's such a visceral experience of violation [that the] 'You're dead to me' isn't a choice that's being made, it is as a reaction. It is something I notice after the fact." 13:00 What is Health? "Health is moving from the exaggeration to integration... 16:30 "A lot of times, for 8s, we don't move towards health until we experience pain." 18:05: Boundaries. How much do we put ourselves out there and take the hits? "Endlessly..." We have to decide if we want to become open or closed, and "I want to be really intentional that I am creating myself in [an open] direction..." And that will require "going back in" again and again, even if we don't want to. 21:00: Jim's poem Bless Them and Go On. "We cannot blame or shame them... they carried you to where they themselves could not go. In kindness turn and thank them. Bless them with all your love. Bless them, and go on." An invitation to move towards, rather than we held prisoner by what was behind. 24:40: Physical health is tied to emotional health. A discussion of the book "Driven" by Bessel van der Kolk 29:00: The tricky thing about 8s and meditation. Jim recommends The Wilhof Breathing Method 33:00: Integrating the three centers. 36:40: Where are we heading? "You are the best expert on you." 43:30: The value of taking ownership of our stuff and being held accountable in different ways. 44:40: Knowing we are deeply ok in THIS moment. Changing the saying Fake it till you make it' to 'Do it unnaturally until you do it naturally.' "I know if I stick with it it'll become more natural... I'm not there YET. (But I'm moving towards it)" 46:30 Rapid Fire with Jim Zartman

RESOURCES: Jim Zartman- Enneagram Personality Testing & Programs - The Art of Growth

BOOK- The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk (goodreads.com)

Book "Driven" by Douglas Brackmann

Book "Wimhof Method"

Book: "What Doesn't Kill"

Book "The Body keeps the score" by Bessel van der Kolk

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