The Sunday Read: ‘Podcasters Took Up Her Sister’s Murder Investigation. Then They Turned on Her’
The Daily21 Tammi 2024

The Sunday Read: ‘Podcasters Took Up Her Sister’s Murder Investigation. Then They Turned on Her’

Liz Flatt drove to Austin, Texas, mostly out of desperation. She had tried talking with the police. She had tried working with a former F.B.I. profiler who ran a nonprofit dedicated to solving unsolved murders. She had been interviewed by journalists and at least one podcaster. She had been featured on a Netflix documentary series about a man who falsely confessed to hundreds of killings.

Although she didn’t know it at the time, Flatt was at a crossroads in what she had taken to calling her journey, a path embarked on after a prayer-born decision five years earlier to try to find who killed her sister, Deborah Sue Williamson, or Debbie, in 1975. It was now 2021.

She had come to Austin for a conference, CrimeCon, which formed around the same time that Flatt began her quest, at a moment now seen as an inflection point in the long history of true crime, a genre as old as storytelling but one that adapts quickly to new technologies, from the printing press to social media. Flatt met a woman who would later put her in touch with two investigators who presented at the conference that year: George Jared and Jennifer Bucholtz. They were podcasters, but Jared was also a journalist and Bucholtz an adjunct professor of forensics and criminal justice at the for-profit American Military University. Their presentation was on another cold case, the murder of Rebekah Gould in 2004, whose killer they claimed to have helped find using a technique that has quickly become a signature of the changing landscape of true crime: crowdsourcing.

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Monday, Oct. 30, 2017

Monday, Oct. 30, 2017

The salacious “dossier” that describes ties between Donald J. Trump and the Russian government is back in the news. The Trump administration says new reporting that the Clinton campaign helped to pay for the report is evidence that the entire Russia inquiry is just politics. Also, we have a rare on-the-record conversation with President Trump’s top lawyer, Ty Cobb, about the investigation. Guests: Kenneth P. Vogel, a New York Times reporter based in Washington; Matt Apuzzo, who interviewed Mr. Cobb. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

30 Loka 201720min

Friday, Oct. 27, 2017

Friday, Oct. 27, 2017

The opioid crisis in the United States now rivals the Vietnam War in terms of how many Americans have been killed. After calling the opioid crisis a national emergency, President Trump has officially declared it a public health emergency — a distinction with a difference. We speak with a recovering addict who was 14 when he tried oxycodone for the first time. “By everyone’s standards, I should be dead,” he said about his former drug dependency. Guests: Aaron Pope, who lives outside Lexington, Ky.; Julie Hirschfeld Davis, a White House correspondent for The Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

27 Loka 201725min

Thursday, Oct. 26, 2017

Thursday, Oct. 26, 2017

Senator Bob Corker, the Republican head of the Foreign Relations Committee, was asked on Tuesday if President Trump was a role model for American children. "Absolutely not," he replied. A few hours later, another Republican senator, Jeff Flake of Arizona, denounced the president. Congressional Republicans seem to be revolting against Mr. Trump. But is that what is really happening? Also, Xi Jinping, the leader of China, is consolidating his power. Guests: Glenn Thrush, a White House correspondent; Chris Buckley, a reporter for The Times in China. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

26 Loka 201718min

Wednesday, Oct. 25, 2017

Wednesday, Oct. 25, 2017

A back-and-forth between President Trump and Myeshia Johnson, the widow of a U.S. soldier killed in Niger this month, has consumed the news cycle for the past week. But what actually happened in Niger? And Senator Jeff Flake, a Republican from Arizona, delivered an impassioned rebuke to President Trump as he announced he would not seek re-election. Guests: Helene Cooper, a Pentagon correspondent for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

25 Loka 201720min

Tuesday, Oct. 24, 2017

Tuesday, Oct. 24, 2017

Wendy Cleland-Hamnett, a former Environmental Protection Agency official, fought for years to protect American consumers from toxic chemicals found in everyday products. Nancy B. Beck, a scientist who worked for the chemical industry, saw these efforts as overregulation by the federal government. This is the story of the E.P.A. under President Trump, as told by the shifting powers of two women. Guests: Eric Lipton, a Washington-based correspondent for The Times; Ms. Hamnett, who was the top E.P.A. official overseeing pesticides and toxic chemicals until last month. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

24 Loka 201723min

Monday, Oct. 23, 2017

Monday, Oct. 23, 2017

“It’s horrible what I went through, horrible what my family went through,” Bill O’Reilly said of the sexual harassment allegations that cost him his job at Fox News. Mr. O’Reilly spoke on the record to two of our reporters, Emily Steel and Michael S. Schmidt, addressing the latest reporting on a $32 million settlement he reached with a longtime network analyst. Guests: Emily Steel, a business reporter for The New York Times; Michael S. Schmidt, a Washington correspondent for The Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

23 Loka 201722min

Friday, Oct. 20, 2017

Friday, Oct. 20, 2017

Foreign Service officers often serve for decades, carrying their knowledge and relationships from one administration to the next. But in just a few months, a new boss has fired or driven out many of the country’s most experienced diplomats. We look at the state of the State Department under Rex Tillerson. Guests: Jason Zengerle, a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine, who interviewed Mr. Tillerson for one of our other podcasts, “The New Washington”; Nancy McEldowney, a former Foreign Service officer. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

20 Loka 201725min

Thursday, Oct. 19, 2017

Thursday, Oct. 19, 2017

Its de facto capital is falling. Its territory has shriveled to a handful of outposts. Its surviving leaders are on the run, and its fighters are surrendering. Is the Islamic State losing its war, or starting a new one? Guests: Rod Nordland, The Times’s bureau chief in Kabul, Afghanistan; Rukmini Callimachi, who covers terrorism and the Islamic State. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

19 Loka 201721min

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