JSJ 351: Dinero.js with Sarah Dayan
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JSJ 351: Dinero.js with Sarah Dayan

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Panel:
- Joe Eames
- Aimee Knight
- Chris Ferdinandi
- AJ O’Neal
- Charles Max Wood
Special Guest - Sarah Dayan In this episode of JavaScript Jabber, the panelists talk to Sarah Dayan, who is a Frontend Software Engineer working for Algolia in Paris. They about the complications in handling money in software development and ask Sarah about the journey that led to the creation of Dinero.js, it’s implementation details, importance of maintaining good documentation, dealing with issues faced along the way, various features of Dinero and working with open source projects in general. Check it out!Show Topics:0.40 - Advertisement : https://www.netlify.com/ 1:44 - Sarah introduces herself and Chris talks about his interest in learning more about Dinero and compliments Sarah on its great documentation.3.10 - Sarah gives some background saying that she created and published Dinero around a year ago. She goes on to explain that the Dinero library helps in handling monetary values. It comes with several methods to parse, manipulate and format these values. The reason behind creating it is that there is no consensus on representing money in software development currently. She shares the story from her previous job where her work was to maintain legacy accounting software, and along the way they realized, that since JavaScript did not have a way to natively represent decimal values, it led to adding large numbers of rounded up numbers continuously, eventually leading to wrong computations.6:50 - Aimee asks about ways to handle different currencies in Dinero. Sarah answers that she has followed Martin Fowler’s money pattern where two different currencies were not allowed to be worked on directly, conversion was mandatory, just like in real life.7:50 - Charles talks about his old freelance work where he was overwhelmed while handling and representing money in software.8:25 - Aimee enquires if Dinero can be used for both frontend and backend. Sarah replies that it can be used anywhere and explains that there is no such thing as just a number when it comes to money, there must be a currency associated with it.9:30 - Charles asks how to figure out the direction to go to when dealing with money and to make sure that all use-cases are covered. Sarah answers that in cases such as floating-point math where the computations don’t end up being accurate as handling is not supported, numbers can be used if treated as subunits (for e.g. 100cents = 1$). However, even then, there are issues in dividing money. She then explains the procedure of “allocation” from the Fowler pattern and she says that Dinero helps in doing the same in such scenarios.12:54 - They discuss how they did not realize how difficult it was dealing with monetary values in development. Sarah talks about the fact that there are numerous aspects involved in it, giving the example of rounding off and stating that there are even factors such as different laws in different countries that need to be considered.16:00 - AJ asks details about crafting the library, maintaining the centralized code and covering of edge cases and using inheritance. Sarah explains the concept of domain driven development and the importance of being an expert in the respective domains. She talks about the library structure briefly, describing that is kept very simple with a module pattern and it has allowed her to manage visibility, make it immutable, include currency converters, formatters and so on.19:34 - AJ asks about the internal complexity of the implementation. Sarah answers that code wise it is extremely simple and easy, anyone with a limited JavaScript experience can understand it.20:50 - AJ asks if it’s open source to which Sarah answers in affirmative and says that she would like external help with implementing some features too.22:10 - Chris asks about Sarah’s excellent documentation approach, how has she managed to do it in a very detailed manner and how important it is in an open source project. Sarah says that she believes that documentation is extremely important, and not having good docs is a big hindrance to developers and to anyone who is trying to learn in general. She talks about her love for writing which explains the presence of annotations and examples in the source code.27:50 - Charles discusses how autogenerated documentation gives an explanation about the methods and functions in the code but there is no guidance as such, so it is important to have guides. Sarah agrees by saying that searching for exact solutions is much simpler with it, leading to saving time as well.29:43 - Chris speaks about Vue also being quite good at having guides and links and thanks Sarah for her work on Dinero.30:15 - Advertisement - https://sentry.io/welcome/ - Use code “devchat” to get two months free on Sentry’s small plan.31:23 - Chris asks what the process is, for creating and running Dinero in different places. Sarah explains that she uses rollup.js which is a bundler suited for libraries, it takes in the ES module library and gives the output in any format. She states that the reason for using the ES module library is that she wanted to provide several builds for several environments with a clean and simple source and goes on to explain that these modules are native, have a terse syntax, easy to read and can be statically analyzed. She also gives the disadvantages in choosing webpack over rollup.36:05 - Charles asks if anyone else is using Dinero. Sarah replies that around two or three people are using it, not much, but she is happy that it is out there to help people and she enjoyed working on it.37:50 - Joe asks if there are any interesting stories about issues such as involving weird currency. Sarah answers in affirmative and gives the example of the method “hasCents”. She explains that she had to deprecate it because the unit “cents” does not have any value in non-Western currencies, and has created “hasSubUnits” method instead. She explains some problems like dealing with currencies that don’t support the ISO 4217 standard.42:30 - Joe asks if social and political upheavals that affect the currencies have any effect on the library too. Sarah gives the example of Chinese and Japanese currencies where there are no sub-units and states that it is important to be flexible in developing stuff in an ever-changing domain like money. She also says that she does not include any third-party dependency in the library.46:00 - AJ says that BigInts have arrived in JavaScript but there is no way to convert between typed arrays, hexadecimal or other storage formats. But later (1:10:55), he corrects that statement saying that BigInts in fact, does have support for hexadecimals. Sarah talks about wanting to keep the code simple and keep developer experience great.49:08 - Charles asks about the features in Dinero. Sarah elaborates on wanting to work more on detecting currencies, improve the way it is built, provide better support for type libraries and get much better at documentation.52:32 - Charles says that it is good that Sarah is thinking about adopting Dinero to fit people’s needs and requirements and asks about different forms of outreach. Sarah says that she blogs a lot, is active on Twitter and attends conferences as well. Her goal is not popularity per se but to help people and keep on improving the product.55:47 - Chris talks about the flip side that as the product grows and becomes popular, the number of support requests increases too. Sarah agrees that open source projects tend to eat up a lot of time and that doing such projects comes with a lot of responsibility but can also help in getting jobs.59:47 - Sarah says that she is available online on her blog - https://frontstuff.io/, on Twitter as Sarah Dayan and on GitHub as sarahdayan.1:00:06 - Advertisement - https://clubhouse.io/ 1:01:01 - Picks!1:11:42 - END - Advertisement - https://www.cachefly.com/ Picks:Sarah
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Speaking Up: The Developer’s Guide to Conference Talks & Career Growth - JSJ 682

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In this episode, we sit down with Mathias Madsen, CEO of Holepunch, and take a wild ride through the cutting edge of peer-to-peer JavaScript development. Mathias shares his journey from accidentally discovering JavaScript in college to becoming a prolific contributor with over 1,500 open source modules. His passion? Building decentralized, peer-to-peer systems where JavaScript isn’t just for the browser—it powers the entire stack.We dive deep into how Holepunch is reimagining application distribution with their Pear system —essentially turning peer-to-peer into a first-class citizen for distributing full applications, not just files. No hosting, no servers — just apps shared directly, BitTorrent-style. And because packaging and distributing Node-based apps can be painfully complex, they took things a step further by building a new runtime: Bare.jsBare.js is refreshingly "bare": it strips away the heavy, opinionated APIs bundled into Node or Deno, leaving just the JavaScript core and a powerful module system. What’s revolutionary here is Bare's ability to run the same codebase across desktop, mobile, and even tiny embedded devices—swapping out engines like V8, JavaScriptCore, or JerryScript depending on the platform's needs. This allows Mathias' team to write backend logic once, share it across all platforms, and iterate at lightning speed.Key takeaways:-Peer-to-peer can go far beyond media sharing — it's being used for full app distribution.-Bare.js decouples JavaScript from specific platforms, creating a universal backend that just works anywhere.-Modular design isn't just a philosophy — it's the secret to Holepunch’s rapid development pace.-The combination of React Native for UI and Bare.js for backend creates an insanely productive development pipeline, fully cross-platform.If you’re into JavaScript, peer-to-peer tech, or just love hearing about developers breaking the mold, this one’s for you.About the GuestMathias is the CEO of Holepunch (https://holepunch.to/). He brings his passion for open-source software, and deep experience in the area, having  published more than 1000 modules to npm, the Node.js package manager, totaling billions of downloads every month.Mathias Buus is a self taught Javascript hacker from Copenhagen. He works full time on open source projects and has been working with Node.js since the 0.2 days. Mathias likes to work with P2P and distributed systems and is the author of more than 550 modules on npm, including some of the most popular ones for working with streams. In addition he has spoken about mad science projects at various conferences around the world.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

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Migrating a Legacy JavaScript Codebase to TypeScript - JSJ 680

Migrating a Legacy JavaScript Codebase to TypeScript - JSJ 680

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TypeScript, Security, and Type Juggling with Ariel Shulman & Liran Tal - JSJ 679

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Building Agentic AI Workflows with Matthew Henage - JSJ 678

Building Agentic AI Workflows with Matthew Henage - JSJ 678

In this episode, we sat down with full-stack developer and AI innovator Matthew Henage, creator of WAOS.ai (Web App Operating System) and the incredible storytelling platform SpeakMagic.ai. This conversation took us deep into the world of agentic AI, low-code app building, and the future of intelligent workflows.We kicked things off with Matthew sharing how he’s been riding the AI wave since GPT-3.5 blew his mind. His platform WoWs is all about making it easy for developers to build powerful web apps with embedded AI workflows — think of it like Zapier meets ChatGPT, but with agents working together instead of API chains.One of the most eye-opening parts of our chat was learning about agent swarms — essentially teams of specialized AI agents that collaborate to perform complex tasks. Instead of relying on one giant AI brain to do everything, you create smaller, purpose-built AIs that handle specific steps in a workflow. It’s scalable, smarter, and kind of like assembling your dream dev team… but all made of code.Matthew’s Speak Magic project is a jaw-dropper. It uses a swarm of over 40 agents to turn a single story idea into a fully animated, two-minute video — complete with scenes, scripts, character animations, music, and more. It’s AI storytelling on steroids.We also talked a lot about:Best practices for building reliable AI workflowsThe importance of keeping context windows small (under 4,000 tokens works best!)How prompt engineering is becoming the new programmingUsing AI for vibe coding (yes, that’s a thing) and rapid prototypingThe tradeoffs between using traditional programming vs. letting AI handle logicEthical considerations and how to handle memory and privacy in long-running user interactionsCheck out Matthew’s work at WAOS.ai and speakmagic.ai — and as always, stay curious and keep building!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

22 Touko 1h 3min

Reinventing Web Development with Brisa: A Conversation with Aral Roca - JSJ 677

Reinventing Web Development with Brisa: A Conversation with Aral Roca - JSJ 677

In this week’s episode, it’s just me — Charles Max Wood — and I’m joined by the incredibly sharp and open-source-loving Aral Roca, direct from Barcelona! Aral’s the creator of Brisa, a new full-stack web framework that flips the script on how we build modern web apps. If you thought the "another day, another framework" meme was played out... well, Brisa might just change your mind.Key Takeaways:-Brisa’s Big Idea: It's designed to let you build web apps with minimal or zero JavaScript on the client side. Think HTML streaming, server actions, and components that render server-side first, but can gradually hydrate on the client.-Server-first FTW: Aral walks us through how Brisa handles server actions — even capturing click and scroll events on the server — using ideas inspired by HTMX, LiveView, and server components from frameworks like Next.js.-Tiny and Mighty: The whole framework is incredibly lightweight. Web components come in at just ~3 KB, and the built-in i18n system is under 1 KB!-From Idea to Reality: Aral started Brisa to scratch his own itch — building side projects and blogs without bloated front-end code. But now, others are using it too (yes, even in production!), including one travel agency that's gone all-in.-Multi-platform Future: Brisa has adapters in the works for Vercel, Node, and Deno — plus integration with Tauri for building native Android, iOS, and desktop apps from the same codebase.-What's Coming: Roadmap goals include improved hot reloads, more adapters, transitions, lazy-loaded components, and a better playground for developers to tinker with.Oh, and yes — Aral does parkour. For real.This episode is packed with deep technical insight and exciting potential for a new way to build web apps — especially for devs who love fast performance, server-rendering, and clean architecture.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

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Building Enterprise Infrastructure with Bit & AI with Gilad Shoham - JSJ 676

Building Enterprise Infrastructure with Bit & AI with Gilad Shoham - JSJ 676

In this episode, I (Steve Edwards) flew solo on the mic but had the pleasure of hosting a truly insightful conversation with Gilad Shoham, VP of Engineering at Bit.Cloud. Gilad brought the heat from Israel as we explored how Bit is revolutionizing enterprise software architecture—and how AI is being layered on top to supercharge developer productivity.We started by breaking down Bit’s core platform, which helps teams compose applications from reusable, independently versioned components. Think Lego blocks, but for your codebase. It’s all about boosting dev velocity, reducing duplication, and making collaboration across teams more seamless.Gilad walked us through some jaw-dropping features: versioning without Git, deep component CI pipelines, and even Bit’s ability to replace monolithic repositories with a graph of decoupled components. Everything is Node + TypeScript under the hood, and while it’s currently JS-focused, the ambition is clearly broader.Then came the big twist: AI. Bit is now leveraging AI not to just write code, but to compose it using existing components. Instead of bloating your codebase with endless variations of the same button, Bit’s AI understands your graph and builds features by intelligently reusing what’s already there. It’s like Copilot with a memory—and architectural sense.Key takeaways:Bit components wrap your existing code (like React/Vue) with metadata, testing, and versioning.Their infrastructure makes it possible to build and test components independently and in parallel.The AI strategy is reuse-first: generate only when needed, always compose from what already exists.Even massive enterprise codebases can gradually migrate to Bit without a full rewrite.Expect a human-in-the-loop process, but with most of the heavy lifting handled by AI.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

8 Touko 58min

Replacing Create React App: Why Create TS Router App Is the Future of React Development - JSJ 675

Replacing Create React App: Why Create TS Router App Is the Future of React Development - JSJ 675

We’ve been diving into the evolving landscape of React app development and why tools like Create TS Router App (CTA) are stepping up to fill the gap left by the deprecation of Create React App (CRA). What we’ve learned is that SSR (server-side rendering) isn’t one-size-fits-all—e-commerce sites need it for SEO and performance, but internal tools and dashboards often don’t. That’s where CTA shines. It gives us a fast, modern, Vite-powered setup with TanStack Router built in, so we can start small and scale up without committing to heavy frameworks like Next.js from day one.What we love about CTA is how it keeps things familiar (same structure as CRA) while giving us type safety, file-based routing, and the flexibility to add only the features we need—like Clerk, Sentry, or even SolidJS support. Whether we’re building a simple prototype or a full-featured app, CTA makes the experience smoother, more intuitive, and future-friendly.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

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