JavaScript Jabber13 Marras 2018

JSJ 339: Node.js In Motion Live Video Course from Manning with PJ Evans

Panel:

Aimee Knight
AJ O’Neal
Charles Max Wood

Special Guest: PJ EvansIn this episode, the panel talks with PJ Evans who is a course developer and an instructor through Manning’s course titled, “Node.js in Motion.” This course is great to learn the fundamentals of Node, which you can check out here! The panel and PJ talk about this course, his background, and current projects that PJ is working on. Check out today’s episode to hear more!Show Topics:0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:36 – Chuck: Welcome and our panel consists of Aimee, AJ, myself, and our special guest is PJ Evans. Tell us about yourself and your video course! NODE JS in Motion is the title of the course. Can you tell us more?1:29 – PJ: It’s a fantastic course. 2:25 – Chuck: You built this course and there is a lot to talk about.2:36 – Aimee: Let’s talk about Node and the current state. 2:50 – Chuck: Here’s the latest features, but let’s talk about where do you start with this course? How do you get going with Node? What do people need to know with Node?3:20 – Aimee.3:24 – PJ talks about Node and his course! 4:02 – PJ: The biggest headache with Node is the...4:13 – Chuck.4:19 – PJ: I am sure a lot of the listeners are familiar with callback hell.4:50 – Aimee: Let’s talk about the complexities of module support in Node!5:10 – PJ: It’s a horrible mess.5:17 – Aimee: Maybe not the tech details but let’s talk about WHAT the problem is?5:31 – PJ: You are talking about Proper Native ES6 right?They are arguing about how to implement it. 6:11 – PJ: My advice is (if you are a professional) is to stick with the LT6 program. No matter how tensing those new features are!6:46 – Aimee: It could be outdated but they had to come back and say that there were tons of complexities and we have to figure out how to get there.7:06 – PJ: They haven’t found an elegant way to do it.7:15 – Panel: If it’s a standard why talk about it?Seriously – if this is a standard why not implement THE standard?7:38 – PJ.8:11 – Panel.8:17 – Aimee: I would love to talk about this, though!8:24 – Chuck: I want to talk about the course, please.8:30 – PJ.8:54 – Chuck: We will keep an eye on it.9:05 – PJ.9:16 – PJ: How is it on the browser-side?9:33 – Aimee: I don’t want to misspeak.9:41 – Chuck: I don’t know how complete the forms are.9:49 – Aimee: I don’t want to misspeak.9:56 – PJ: I just found the page that I wanted and they are calling it the .MJS or aka the Michael Jackson Script. You can do an import from...Some people think it’s FINE and others think that it’s a TERRIBLE idea.10:42 – Chuck: “It sounds like it’s a real THRILLER!” 10:52 – Panel.11:25 – Panel: When you start calling things the Michael Jackson Solution you know things aren’t well.11:44 – Aimee: Just to clarify for users...11:57 – Chuck: I want to point us towards the course: NODE.JS.Chuck asks two questions. 12:34 – PJ: The concepts aren’t changing, but the information is changing incredibly fast. The fundamentals are fairly settled.13:22 – Chuck: What are those things?13:28 – PJ talks about how he structured the course and he talks about the specifics. 15:33 – Chuck: Most of my backend stuff is done in Ruby. Aimee and AJ do more Java then I do.15:55 – Panel: I think there is something to understanding how different Node is. I think that Node is a very fast moving train. Node has a safe place and that it’s good for people to know about this space.16:34 – Aimee: Not everyone learns this way, but for me I like to understand WHY I would want to use Node and not another tool. For me, this talk in the show notes really helped me a lot. That’s the core and the nature of NODE.17:21 – PJ: Yes, absolutely. Understanding the event loop and that’s aimed more towards people from other back ends. Right from the beginning we go over that detail: Here is how it works, we give them examples, and more.18:08 – Aimee: You can do more than just create APIs. Aimee mentions Vanilla Node. 18:50 – PJ: To get into frameworks we do a 3-line server. We cover express, and also Sequelize ORM. 19:45 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 20:43 – Chuck: I never used Pug.20:45 – PJ: PUG used to be called JADE. 20:56 – Aimee.21:14 – PJ: Express does that for you and I agree with you. I advocate a non-scripted approach, I like when frameworks have a light touch.22:05 – Aimee: That’s what I liked about it. No offense, Chuck, but for me I didn’t like NOT knowing a lot of what was not happening under the hood. I didn’t want to reinvent the wheel, but I wanted to build at a lower level.22:40 – PJ: I had the same experience. I wanted to figure out why something wasn’t working.23:24 – Panel: I had a friend who used Rails...he was cautious to make a switch. This past year he was blown away with how much simpler it was and how fast things were.24:05 – Aimee: I feel like if you want to learn JavaScript then Node might be easier on the frontend.24:21 – Chuck: No pun intended.No, but I agree. I like about Rails is that you had well-understood patterns. But the flipside is that you have abstractions...To a certain degree: what did I do wrong? And you didn’t follow the pattern properly.25:57 – Panel: With Node you get a little bit of both. To me it’s a more simple approach, but the downside is that you have 100’s of 1,000’s of modules that almost identical things. When you start reaching out to NPM that...26:29 – PJ: Yes the module system of NPM is the best/worst thing about NODE. I don’t have an answer, honestly.There is a great article written that made me turn white. Here is the article! 28:12 – Panel: The same thing happened with the ESLint. That was the very problem that he was describing in the article.28:50 – PJ: Yep, I put that in the chat there – go ahead and read it! It’s not a problem that’s specific to Node, there are others. It’s the way we do things now.29:23 – Chuck: We have the NODE Security project. A lot of stuff go into NPM everyday.29:43 – PJ: We cover those things in the course.29:53 – Chuck: It’s the reality. Is there a place that people get stuck?30:00 – PJ answers the question.30:23 – Aimee.30:55 – PJ: I am coding very similar to my PHP days.31:20 – Aimee.32:02 – PJ: To finish off my point, I hope people don’t loose sight.32:18 – Aimee.32:20 – PJ: I am working on a project that has thousands of requests for...32:53 – Chuck: Anything you WANTED to put into the course, but didn’t have time to?33:05 – PJ: You can get pretty technical. It’s not an advanced course, and it won’t turn you into a rock star. This is all about confidence building. It’s to understand the fundamentals.It’s a runtime of 6 hours and 40 minutes – you aren’t just watching a video. You have a transcript, too, running off on the side. You can sit there and type it out w/o leaving – so it’s a very interactive course.34:26 – Chuck: You get people over the hump. What do you think people need to know to be successful with Node?34:38 – PJ answers the question. PJ: I think it’s a lot of practice and the student to go off and be curious on their own terms.35:13 – Chuck: You talked about callbacks – I am thinking that one is there to manage the other?35:31 – PJ answers the question. PJ: You do what works for you – pick your style – do it as long as people can follow you. Take the analogy of building a bridge.36:53 – Chuck: What are you working on now?37:00 – PJ: Educational tool called SCHOOL PLANNER launched in Ireland, so teachers can do their lesson planning for the year and being built with Express.Google Classroom and Google Calendar.39:01 – PJ talks about Pi and 4wd. See links below. 40:09 – Node can be used all over the place!40:16 - Chuck: Yes, the same can be said for other languages. Yes, Node is in the same space.40:31 – PJ: Yep!40:33 – Chuck: If people want to find you online where can they find you?40:45 – PJ: Twitter! Blog! 41:04 – Picks!41:05 – Advertisement – eBook: Get a coder job! Links:

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030 JSJ Learning & Teaching JavaScript with Noel Rappin

PanelNoel Rappin (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeScript) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Discussion 00:52 - Works in training and talent development for Groupon00:56 - Author of Rails Test Prescriptions and upcoming Master Space and Time with JavaScript01:21 - Writing a book about JavaScript02:33 - Focus of the bookPart 1: Jasmine and jQuery and the JavaScript Object Model Part 2: Extended examples of jQuery Part 3: Backbone Part 4: Ember 03:46 - Self-published authors05:15 - Approaches and mindsets to learning JavaScript06:04 - “Gotchas!” and bad features in Javascript09:17 - Modeling JavaScript for beginners11:23 - (AJ joins the podcast)11:42 - Resources/Classes for learning JavaScriptGood Parts Book: Douglas Crockford JavaScript Patterns: Stoyan Stefanov Eloquent JavaScript: A Modern Introduction to Programming: Marijn Haverbeke Maintainable JavaScript: Nicholas C. Zakas 13:54 - Hiring people with JavaScript experience at Groupon15:12 - Training workshops17:00 - Getting new hires up to speed quicklyPairing Mentoring Lectures Workshops 21:38 - Book LearningYou can learn at your own pace But it’s hard to ask questions to a book 22:51 - How Noel gained expertise in JavaScript24:38 - Code reading and learning to program a language26:18 - Teaching people JavaScript as their very first language31:55 - Classroom layout33:42 - Online trainingKahn Academy Computer ScienceCode AcademyStarter League40:00 - Finding a mentorStack Overflow PicksShrines by Purity Ring (Jamison) Learnable Programming: Bret Victor (Jamison) Mob Software: Richard P. Gabriel & Ron Goldman (Jamison) Monoprice.com (AJ) ZREO: Zelda Reorchestrated (AJ) The Official Twitter App (Chuck) Fluid App (Chuck) Try Jasmine! (Noel) Justin Searls (Noel) The Atrocity Archives: Charles Stross (Noel) Futurity: A Musical by The Lisps (Noel) Transcript NOEL: I’m trying to figure out where the chat is in this stupid Skype interface.JAMISON: Just imagine the worst place it could possibly be and that’s where it is.[This episode is sponsored by ComponentOne, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to wijmo.com and check them out.][Hosting and bandwidth provided by The Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 30 of the JavaScript Jabber show! This week on our panel we have, Jamison Dance.JAMISON: Hey guys!CHUCK: I’m Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv and this week, we have a special guest and that’s Noel Rappin!NOEL: Hey everybody!CHUCK: For the people who don’t know who you are, you want to introduce yourself, Noel?NOEL: Sure. I currently work in training and talent development for Groupon. And I am the author of previously “Rails Test Prescriptions” and currently a self-published book called “Master Time and Space with JavaScript”, which you can get at noelrappin.com. I need to spell that out, right? N-o-e-l-r-a-p-p-i-n.comCHUCK: So I’m little curious, before we get into the topic which is learning and teaching JavaScript, how did you get into writing a book about JavaScript? What’s your background there?NOEL: You know, it actually relates to teaching and learning JavaScript. I think, I was like… a lot of long time web devs. I spent my first round as a web consultant in around, turn of the century 2000’s. I spent time trying to talk clients out of JavaScript stuff because it was such a pain in the neck. And I kind of got away from it for awhile and came back a couple of years ago to realize that basically, everything had changed and they were actually usable tools now.And last summer, I was working with a… at that time,Special Guest: Noel Rappin. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

4 Loka 201251min

029 JSJ Bower.js with Alex MacCaw and Jacob Thornton

PanelAlex MacCaw (twitter github blog) Jacob Thornton (Fat) (twitter github blog) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeScript) DiscussionBower.js (web) Bower.js (twitter) Bower.js (github) SXSW Package managers ender-js BPM hem Benefits Small components Yeoman.io Browserify Dependencies Segmenting the community Transports Mozilla (github) Commands Building an actual package manager node.js Moving parts of a package manager Events Challenges Ember.js Mobile web application development Google Chrome apps Desktop apps in JavaScript PicksKershaw Ken Onion Tactical Blur Folding Knife (AJ) The xx: Coexist (Jamison) Neil Armstrong’s Solemn but Not Sad Memorial Cathedral (Jamison) Collective Soul Cat (Jamison) Amazon Prime (Joe) Star Trek Original Series on Amazon Prime (Joe) Functional Programming Principles in Scala: Martin Odersky (Joe) Domo (hiring!) (Joe) Delegation in Google (Chuck) Civilization IV (Chuck) Fujitsu ScanSnap (Chuck) Bill Nye’s Twitter Account getting suspended was not cool (Jacob) Github + Twitter profile redesign (Jacob) Avoid 7/11 Hot Dog Flavored Chips (Jacob) The Big Picture (Alex) CoffeeScriptRedux (Alex) Stripe (Alex) Special Guests: Alex MacCaw and Jacob Thornton. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

2 Loka 201247min

028 JSJ Greenfield vs Brownfield Projects

PanelJoe Eames (twitter github blog) AJ O'Neal (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Summer Camp) DiscussionGreenfield - Brand New Project Brownfield - Older Applications, Legacy Code Poopfield - PHP Development Dealing With Legacy Code Use Tests Working Effectively with Legacy Code - Michael Feathers Risk When is the big rewrite the correct answer? PicksJoseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling (AJ) Roll Up Crepes (AJ) Calepin (AJ) Bernie (Jamison) Dota 2 (Jamison) Derrick Storm Novels - A Brewing Storm, A Bloody Storm, A Raging Storm (Joe) Castle (Joe) X-Wing Mineatures (Joe) PEX For Fun (Joe) MLG Championship - Starcraft Duel (Joe) VESA 75 to 100 Adapter (Chuck) LG Tone Bluetooth Headphones (Chuck) Transcript JOE: Listen baby, it won’t get weird.JAMISON: [Chuckles]AJ: That sounds... weird.JAMISON: [Chuckles] Too Late.[Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net.][This episode is sponsored by Harvest. I use Harvest to track time, track subcontractor’s time and invoice clients. Their time tracking is really simple and easy to use. Invoicing includes a ‘pay now’ function by credit card and PayPal. And you can sign up at getharvest.com. Use the code RF to get 50% off your first month.]CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to episode 28 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have AJ O’Neil.AJ: Yo, yo, yo comin’ at you live from the second story of an office base in Orem, Utah.CHUCK: We also have Jamison Dance.JAMISON: Hi, I’m Jamison Dance and I am super excited, because today iTV just announced that we are doing the Nintendo TV thing; and I haven’t been able to talk about it for, like, six months, so it’s a good day.CHUCK: Cool. We also have Joe Eames.JOE: Comin at you semi live from American Fork, Utah.CHUCK: And I am Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv. Tim is not with us this week because he is in China. I thought I’d point that out, because I think it’s cool. Anyway, this week we are going to be talking about Greenfield versus Brownfield projects. It was kind of funny when we were getting ready to do this, some of the panels were like, Green/Brown?JAMISON: Yeah, I have to pull Josh Susser and ask for a definition.CHUCK: So, as far as I understand it, there are some new --- to this, depending to who you talk to, but mostly, Greenfield is a brand new project with few or no decisions made and no code written for it yet. And Brownfield projects are effectively older applications usually associated with legacy code. You know, so it’s an application that already has code written toward it. Typically, it is out there in the world doing whatever it is supposed to do.JAMISON: Now, I want to put this question delicately. Are there any fecal connotations to the color ‘brown’ in Brownfield?CHUCK: Only if it’s PHP.JOE: [Chuckles]. Then it’s Poopfield Development?CHUCK: [Chuckles]. Okay, we are not gonna go down that tangent.[Laughter]AJ: Because, I mean honestly, when Mormons make jokes about crap, it never sounds good anyway.CHUCK: Yeah. So anyway, how many of you guys have actually worked on a real Greenfield project? Like been there from day one, that you have it just built yourself.JAMISON: I guess it depends on your definition. Maybe. So we have lots of services at ITV, so I've been part of spinning up completely new services that didn’t exist. We had other sort of similar things already, so some of the decisions were already made for, so we kind of had a style established. But it was still like a separate project.AJ: Do you forget us so soon, Jamison?JAMISON: [Chuckles].AJ: You don’t remember ever working here or getting started…JAMISON: I do. I don’t remember Greenfield stuff; I remember new features, I mean, Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

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027 JSJ The JavaScript Community

The panelists discuss the JavaScript community at large. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

5 Syys 201249min

026 JSJ Code Organization and Reuse

The panelists talk about code organization and reuse. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

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025 JSJ Require.js with James Burke

The panelists talk to James Burke about Require.js.Special Guest: James Burke . Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

21 Elo 201235min

024 JSJ Strata.js with Michael Jackson

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14 Elo 201243min

023 JSJ Phantom.js with Ariya Hidayat

The panelists talk to Ariya Hidayat about Phantom.js.Special Guest: Ariya Hidayat. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

7 Elo 201240min

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