JSJ 277: Dojo 2 with Dylan Schiemann and Kitson Kelly

JSJ 277: Dojo 2 with Dylan Schiemann and Kitson Kelly

JSJ 277: Dojo 2 with Dylan Schiemann and Kitson KellyThis episode of JavaScript Jabber features panelists Aimee Knight, Cory House, and Charles Max Wood. They talk with Dylan Schiemann and Kitson Kelly about Dojo 2.[00:02:03] Introduction to Dylan SchiemannDylan is the CEO at Sitepen and co-founder of the Dojo Toolkit.[00:02:22] Introduction to Kitson Kitson is the CTO at Sitepen and project lead for Dojo 2.[00:02:43] Elevator Pitch for DojoDojo 1 has been around forever. Started back in 2004 as a way to solve the challenge of "I want to build something cool in a browser." Promises and web components were inspired by or created by Dojo. It's been a huge influence on the web development community.Dojo 2 is a ground up re-write with ES 2015, TypeScript and modern API's. It's a modernized framework for Enterprise applications.[00:04:29] How is Dojo different from other frameworks?There's a spectrum: small libraries like React with an ecosystem and community of things you add to it to Angular which is closer to the MV* framework with bi-directional data binding. Vue lands somewhere in the middle. Dojo 2 is also somewhere in the middle as well. It's written in TypeScript and has embraced the TypeScript experience.[00:06:00] Did the Angular 2 move influence the Dojo 2 development and vice-versa?Dojo 2 had moved to TypeScript and 2 days later Angular announced that they were going to TypeScript. Angular also moved very quickly through their BETA phase, which caused some challenges for the Angular community.With Dojo 2, they didn't start the public discussion and BETA until they knew much better what was and wasn't going to change. They've also been talking about Dojo 2 for 6 or 7 years.The update was held up by adoption of ES6 and other technologies.Dojo 1 was also responsible for a lot of the low-level underpinning that Angular didn't have to innovate on. Dojo 2 was built around a mature understanding of how web applications are built now.People doing Enterprise need a little more help and assistance from their framework. Dojo provides a much more feature rich set of capabilities.Angular could have pushed much more of TypeScript's power through to the developer experience. Dojo much more fully adopts it.It's also easier if all of your packages have the same version number.Call out to Angular 4 vs Angular 2.[00:12:44] AMD ModulesWhy use AMD instead of ES6 modules?You can use both. Dojo 2 was involved in the creation of UMD. James Burke created UMD while working on Dojo.ES6 modules and module loading systems weren't entirely baked when Dojo 2 started to reach maturity, so they went with UMD. It's only been a few months since Safari implemented the ES6 module system. Firefox and friends are still playing catchup.The Dojo CLI build tool uses webpack, so it's mostly invisible at this point.So, at this point, should I be using UMD modules? or ES6? Is there an advantage to using AMD?With TypeScript you'd use ES6 modules, but UMD modules can be loaded on the fly.[00:16:00] Are you using Grunt?Internally, for tasks we use Grunt. But for users, we have a CLI tool that wraps around Webpack.For package builds and CI, Grunt is used.[00:18:30] What is the focus on Enterprise all about?There are a lot of different challenges and complexities to building Enterprise apps. Dojo was the first framework with internationalization, large data grids, SVG charts, etc. Dojo has spend a long time getting this right. Many other systems don't handle all the edge cases.Internationalization in Angular 2 or 4 seems unfinished.Most Dojo users are building for enterprises like banks and using the features that handle large amounts of data and handle those use cases better.[00:21:05] If most application frameworks have the features you listed, is there a set of problems it excels at?The Dojo team had a hard look at whether there was a need for their framework since many frameworks allow you to build great applications. Do we want to invest into something like this?React has internationalization libraries. But you'll spend a lot of time deciding which library to use and how well it'll integrate with everything else. A tradeoff in decision fatigue.In the Enterprise, development isn't sexy. It's necessary and wants to use boring but reliable technology. They like to throw bodies at a problem and that requires reliable frameworks with easily understood decision points.Producing code right is a strong case for TypeScript and they pull that through to the end user.Many frameworks start solving a small set of problems, become popular, and then bolt on what they need to solve everything else...Dojo tried to make sure it had the entire package in a clear, easy to use way.You can build great apps with most of the big frameworks out there. Dojo has been doing this for long enough that they know where to optimize for maintainability and performance.[00:29:00] Where is Dojo's sweet spot? https://www.sitepen.com/blog/2017/06/13/if-we-chose-our-javascript-framework-like-we-chose-our-music/The biggest reason for using Dojo over the years is the data grid component.They also claim to have the best TypeScript web development experience.You may also want a component based system with the composition hassles of React.The composability of components where one team may write components that another uses is a big thing in Dojo where one person doesn't know the entire app you're working on.Theming systems is another selling point for Dojo.[00:34:10] Ending the framework warsTry Dojo out and try out the grid component and then export it to your Angular or React app.There are a lot of frameworks out there that do a great job for the people who use them. The focus is on how to build applications better, rather than beating out the competition.Sitepen has build apps with Dojo 2, Angular, React, Dojo + Redux, etc.[00:39:01] The Virtual DOM used by Dojo2 years ago or so they were looking for a Virtual DOM library that was small and written in TypeScript. They settled on http://maquettejs.org/.The more you deal with the DOM directly, the more complex your components and libraries become.Makes things simpler for cases like server side rendering getting fleshed out in BETA 3.It also allows you to move toward something like React Native and WebVR components that aren't coupled to the DOM.They moved away from RxJS because they only wanted observables and shimmed in (or polyfilled) the ES-Next implementation instead of getting the rest of the RxJS that they're not using.[00:46:40] What's coming next?They're finishing Dojo 2. They're polishing the system for build UI components and architecture and structuring the app. They plan to release before the end of the year.They're also wrapping up development on the Data Grid, which only renders what shows on the screen plus a little instead of millions of rows.[00:49:08] TestingThey've gothttp://theintern.io.It pulls together unit testing, functional testing, continuous integration hooks, accessibility testing, etc.It's rewritten in TypeScript to take advantage of modern JavaScript.The Dojo CLI uses intern as the default test framework.Kitson build the https://github.com/dojo/test-extras library to help with Dojo testing with intern.Dojo Links
- http://dojo.io
- http://github.com/dojo/meta
- http://sitepen.com/blog
- https://gitter.im/dojo/dojo2
- http://github.com/dylans
- http://twitter.com/dylans
- http://twitter.com/sitepen
- http://twitter.com/dojo
- http://github.com/kitsonk
- http://twitter.com/kitsonk
PicksCory
- https://www.farnamstreetblog.com/2017/08/amateurs-professionals
Aimee
- https://www.eventbrite.com/e/devfest-florida-2017-tickets-31833188925?discount=JSJABBER (use code 'jsjabber')
Chuck
- Taking some time off
- http://amzn.to/2j8VKRJ
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVsXO9brK7M
Dylan
- https://www.zenhub.com/
- http://halfstackconf.com
- https://www.sitepen.com/blog/2017/06/13/if-we-chose-our-javascript-framework-like-we-chose-our-music/
Kitson
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
Special Guests: Dylan Schiemann and Kitson Kelly.

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Interactive Coding Tutorials with Tomek Salkowski: Enhancing Developer Experiences - JSJ 651

Interactive Coding Tutorials with Tomek Salkowski: Enhancing Developer Experiences - JSJ 651

AJ and Steve dive deep into the world of interactive coding tutorials alongside guest, Tomek Sułkowski. They kick off with a brief chat about the weather before delving into Tomek's expertise in creating engaging and interactive tutorials—shedding light on everything from the history of coding tutorials to the technical wonders of web containers, brought to prominence by platforms like Stackblitz.They explore the innovative "tutorials kit dot dev," a revelatory tool for developers, and discuss the triumphs and challenges in building these interactive learning experiences. Plus, discover amazing tech insights from AJ, development updates from Tomek, and a whole lot more. SocialsLinkedIn: Tomek Sułkowski PicksAJ - Rocky Mountain ATVAJ - pg-essentialsAJ - SSH now has IncludeAJ - DeepSeek-Coder-v2Tomek - Component partyTomek - IconesBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

1 Loka 202457min

Optimizing SQL and ORM Practices for High-Performance Applications - JSJ 650

Optimizing SQL and ORM Practices for High-Performance Applications - JSJ 650

In today's episode, Charles, Steve, and AJ, are joined by back-end engineer and team lead at Homebound, Stephen Haberman. We delve into the fascinating world of SQL c and its revolutionary approach to managing SQL queries with dedicated SQL files, delivering benefits such as reduced typing errors and pre-deployment checks. Stephen also walks us through the advantages and limitations of ORMs versus query builders like Prisma and Drizzle, sharing insights into Joyce ORM's unique philosophy and simplified CRUD operations.They explore the intricacies of Domain Driven Design (DDD), its emphasis on ubiquitous language, and how it shapes business logic and storage management. AJ contributes by discussing the potential of SQL c and Slonik for dynamic query building. Additionally, they discuss Steven's innovative work with GraphFileWorker and GrafAST, highlighting the performance improvements in GraphQL backends. Whether you're intrigued by the technicalities of ORMs, the evolution of database tools, or just love a good anecdote, this episode packed with technical insights and lively discussions is one you won't want to miss. Join them on this journey into the world of database management and development!SocialsLinkedIn: Stephen HabermanPicks AJ - TypeScript to JSDocAJ - MySQL to TypeScriptAJ - sqlcAJ - Slonik (Node + Postgres)AJ - SwiftUI EssentialsAJ - Introduction to SwiftUI AJ - Trump, but not saying dumb thingsCharles - Biblios | Board GameCharles - FreeStyle Libre 3 System | Continuous Glucose MonitoringStephen - Grafast | GrafastBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

24 Syys 20241h 31min

Mentorship in Tech: Balancing Professionalism and Friendship for Maximum Growth and Accountability - JSJ 649

Mentorship in Tech: Balancing Professionalism and Friendship for Maximum Growth and Accountability - JSJ 649

They dive deep into the world of mentorship, personal growth, and problem-solving with our special guests, Joao and Manny, alongside our insightful panelists, AJ and Charles.In this episode, they explore the transformative power of weekly accountability meetings (WAM), where tasks are committed and followed up with a yes or no, no excuses allowed. Joao and Manny share their journey of mentorship that crossed borders, forging a strong bond through adversity and mutual respect. We'll also delve into how their dynamic friendship amplifies professional standards, and the importance of balancing personal and professional relationships.We discuss the profound impacts of structured problem-solving methods, specifically George Polya's renowned four-step process. Joao and Manny highlight how this systematic approach has refined their coding skills and overall problem-solving abilities. Alongside, we touch upon the fascinating intersection of human learning and AI, emphasizing the unique capacity humans have for generalizing new problems from limited data.In addition, our speakers will share their roadmap for continuous learning, curriculum development, and practical exercises—highlighting tools like Trello for task management and Anki for reinforcing learning. AJ O'Neil offers his unique perspective on the talent it takes to thrive in programming and how personal enjoyment is crucial for sustained success.Later, we'll transition to our Picks section, where AJ, Charles, and the guests share their latest recommendations, from essential productivity tools and engaging books to top-notch apps and board games.Finally, we'll wrap up with some valuable insights on time management, consistent study habits, and the importance of finding a mentor who truly cares about your growth. Whether you're a seasoned developer or just starting out, this episode is packed with practical advice and inspiring stories that you won't want to miss. So, tune in for all this and more on Top End Devs!PicksAJ - Apple EarpodsAJ - SwiftUICharles - Biblios | Board GameCharles - FreeStyle Libre 3 SystemManny - Jaco: The Extraordinary and Tragic Life of Jaco PastoriusManny - Baldur's Gate 3 on SteamBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

17 Syys 20241h 19min

Unpacking Deno 2: Code Stability, Free Speech, and more - JSJ 648

Unpacking Deno 2: Code Stability, Free Speech, and more - JSJ 648

Today, Charles, Dan, AJ, and Steve dive into a range of fascinating discussions. Joining this episode is special guest, Ryan Dahl, the visionary creator behind Node.js and Deno.In this episode, they traverse an eclectic mix of topics, from humorous offbeat news and dad jokes to in-depth tech discussions. They explore the complexities and legalities surrounding free speech, offering diverse perspectives on its implications in the modern digital landscape.But the heart of our discussion is Ryan Dahl's exploration of Deno 2, the latest evolution in JavaScript's runtime environment. You'll hear about its distinctive features, including the revolutionary JSR project, and how it aims to simplify and secure modern JavaScript development, addressing challenges and limitations found in Node.js. They also discuss the intricacies of TypeScript support, Deno’s security model, and the future potential of JavaScript in data science.Join them for a lively conversation packed with insights, technical deep-dives, and plenty of humor. Whether you're a seasoned developer or just starting your coding journey, this episode is sure to offer valuable takeaways and an entertaining ride through the world of modern web development.Sponsors Wix StudioSocialsLinkedIn: Ryan DahlTwitter: @deno_landDenoPicksAJ - SwiftAJ - DenoCharles - Challengers! | Board GameRyan - GrainBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

10 Syys 20241h 34min

Opinionated Core Web Vitals - JSJ 647

Opinionated Core Web Vitals - JSJ 647

Dan Shappir takes the lead this week to discuss Core Web Vitals and how Google is pushing the web to be faster.He leads Chuck, Aimee, and AJ through the ways that developers can measure and improve the performance of websites based on the statistics specified by Google as components of Google rankings.Sponsors Wix StudioLinksWeb VitalsPicksAimee- GitHub | treosh/lighthouse-ci-actionAimee- GitHub | GoogleChrome/lighthouse-ciAJ- Classless CSSAJ- One FinanceAJ- JCS - Criminal Psychology - YouTubeAJ- Auth Library Live StreamCharles- Atlas Shrugged Charles- Dev Influencers | Devchat.tvDan- Core Web Vitals Technology ReportDan- Math Has a Fatal Flaw - YouTubeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

3 Syys 20241h 10min

Beyond JavaScript: Master TypeScript at Scale at SquiggleConf  - JSJ 646

Beyond JavaScript: Master TypeScript at Scale at SquiggleConf - JSJ 646

Dan together with Josh Goldberg, a prominent open-source maintainer and author of "Learning TypeScript, dive into the world of TypeScript and JavaScript with a special focus on the upcoming Squiggleconf. In this episode, they'll detail the conference format, including its dedicated days for talks and workshops, and highlight the impressive lineup of speakers who will cover topics like ASTs, TypeScript at scale, and essential documentation practices.Josh also shares insights into the evolution and practical application of TypeScript ESLint. Expect a deep dive into TypeScript's latest features, such as generics and specific lint rules that enhance code quality and developer experience.SocialsLinkedIn: ‌Josh ‌GoldbergPicksDan - Dan's favorite standalone fantasy booksDan - Despicable Me and MinionsJosh - NeuromancerJosh - WitcherBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

28 Elo 20241h 10min

Deep Dive into Metrics and Monitoring with Prometheus and Grafana - JSJ 645

Deep Dive into Metrics and Monitoring with Prometheus and Grafana - JSJ 645

Dive into a fascinating discussion blending the worlds of literature, gaming, and tech. In this episode, Chuck and Dan explore the intriguing connections between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, including an extraordinary tale about Israeli pilots translating The Hobbit during wartime. They share insights into Guy Gavriel Kaye’s standalone novel Tigana, inspired by Renaissance Italy, and discuss the complexities and strategies of board games like Monopoly and Letters from Whitechapel.But that’s not all. The episode takes a technical turn as the speakers delve into the dynamic world of application monitoring with Prometheus. They unpack the mechanics of event loop lag, heap usage, and GC storms, and share how Prometheus's query language (PromQL) and integration with Grafana can proactively manage and solve performance issues. Hear about real-time alerting, sophisticated querying, and the practical applications of these tools in companies like Next Insurance and Sisense.This episode is packed with information - from managing performance metrics and alerting systems to insightful discussions on favorite standalone fantasy novels and the productivity hacks that keep our hosts on top of their game. So, sit back and join us for an engaging and informative session on Top End Devs!SocialsLinkedIn: Chuck WoodLinkedIn: Dan ShappirPicksCharles - Letters from Whitechapel | Board GameCharles - TrainingPeaks | Empower Your TrainingBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

20 Elo 20241h 25min

Crafting Code and Community: AI, LeetCode, and Meetups - JSJ 644

Crafting Code and Community: AI, LeetCode, and Meetups - JSJ 644

In this episode, they dive deep into the world of coding, meetups, and the evolving landscape of technical interviews. Join them as they explore the fascinating use of OpenAI's technology for coding assistance, the challenges of setting up impactful meetups, and the intricacies of mastering LeetCode problems.Our experts share invaluable insights—from leveraging AI tools like GPT to generate code effectively, to the essential strategies for problem-solving during high-pressure technical interviews. They also touch on the importance of deliberate practice, group support, and finding the right mindset for tackling coding challenges. Plus, hear personal stories about the benefits of taking breaks, the role of LeetCode in honing coding skills, and the shift in interview styles towards speed and pattern recognition.Sponsors Wix StudioSocialsAnatoliy D. ZaslavskiyLinksNYC LeetCode SquadPicksAJ - Yumi and the Nightmare Painter by Brandon SandersonAJ - The ChosenAJ - Beauty & The BeatAnatoliy - Authentic relatingAnatoliy - Neurodivergent Guide to the WorkplaceCharles - Challengers! | Board GameSteve - Myspace celebrates its 21st birthday. Do we still need it?Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

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