Episode #181: ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ 4×14, ‘Angel’ 1×14 – It's Not a Documentary

Join us as we discuss Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 4, episode 14, "Goodbye Iowa," and Angel season 1, episode 14, "I've Got You Under My Skin."

Superfans: Selina, Natalie and Caitlin
Newbies: Brittany

Fun Facts:
Caitlin and Gage are still working on their doggy-human relationship, Brittany is going to see a Broadway show today, Natalie is sad that she is not going to see a show with Brittany and has $3,000 worth of cash on her desk, but it's going away very soon. Selina set aside four hours to watch four episodes of Buffy and Angel and didn't have any time to spare. How is that possible? MATH! Grr arggg!

Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 4, episode 14, "Goodbye Iowa":
-The wiki describes this as a "Riley-centric" episode
-Does Spike have a purpose now?
-Why are they still helping Spike?
-Angelus was the character we were meant to hate, but Spike is kind of... loveable?
-Mitch assigns the Scooby Gang their Scooby Doo counterparts
-What is with all the trench coats?
-Slumber party at Xander's house!
-Roadrunner is back again, what does it mean?
-Walsh creates "man" let's get to know Adam
-Is Adam intrinsically evil? Does he know what he is doing?
-Adam may be a direct adaptation of Frankenstein's monster, but opens up our discussion about what is personhood
-What is going on with Tara? Is Willow taking advantage of her?
-Will Willow sacrifice Tara? Evil!Willow is coming, you guys
-Instead of Willow should we actually be concerned about Riley?
-Forest has really overcommitted to the cause while Riley slips away
-Was Riley justified in his freak out over Adam calling him his brother?
-Selina had an early android theory about Riley and it's actually more interesting than Riley being a human
-Poor Spike
-Favorite scenes
-Favorite lines

Angel season 1, episode 14, "I've Got You Under My Skin":
-Angel continues the deep discussion about the dark side of humanity
-The twist was quite amazing and terrifying
-The father was framed as the villain, the girl gave off signs too, so many twists!
-The new Angel gang is getting along so nicely, but Doyle is still heavy on the mind
-Angel on Buffy was just coming back from living off rats
-But he is growing into such a healthy person on Angel
-Did you recognize Doyle's voice in the exorcism
-Wesley is trying so hard to overcome his inner demons and help an innocent person
-Is Wesley actually Harry Potter?
-Let's talk about why Christian symbols specifically are chosen to protect against demons
-Angel gets to save Wesley where he couldn't save Doyle
-Kate is back! Does she have a purpose?
-Favorite scenes
-Favorite lines

Listener Feedback:
-NEW POLL RESULTS!
-No write-ins this time, but Keith Mars gets a vote
-Iroh is the best (second best)
-Hannibal could bring Fuller the glory he deserves on ReWatchable
-More dancing on Angel please!

Brittany's Brainstorms:
-Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 4, episode 15, "This Year's Girl" - Buffy goes through a re-invention and finally becomes the fierce independent woman I want her to be
-Angel season 1, episode 15, "The Prodigal" - The "chosen" demon or Wesley will be the central character of conflict

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