TF Extra Deep Dive - Can Hertha Berlin leave the dark days behind...or will Lars Windhorst drag them back in

Hertha BSC barely escaped relegation last season, and they're still hanging around the lower reaches of the table after nine games. But somehow, the atmosphere around the club is anything but panicked. Coach Sandro Schwarz appears to be forming a decent side in the capital, even if the results haven't quite come around just yet. Listen in as Nik twists Matt's arm and gets him to open up about the club he usually frets so much over, but suddenly has a pretty chill outlook on. Don't worry, it's not all roses - Hertha's unscrupulous moneybags Lars Windhorst and his Israeli security firm make an appearance, and it's a wild tale indeed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices