Andrew Sheets: Unexpected Behavior in Markets

Andrew Sheets: Unexpected Behavior in Markets

Chief Cross-Asset Strategist Andrew Sheets explains why it’s increasingly more favorable to be a lender than an asset owner.


----- Transcript -----

Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Andrew Sheets, Chief Cross-Asset Strategist for Morgan Stanley. Along with my colleagues bringing you a variety of perspectives, I'll be talking about trends across the global investment landscape and how we put those ideas together. It's Friday, July 28th at 2 p.m. in London.

Markets have been stronger than we expected. Some of the story is straight forward, some of it is not. Indeed across asset classes, the capital structure increasingly looks upside down.


Our investment strategy has been based on the assumption that strong developed market growth was set to slow sharply as post-COVID stimulus waned and policy tightened at the fastest pace in 40 years. Sharp slowing, from an elevated base, has often rewarded more defensive investment positioning.


But our assumption about this growth backdrop has simply been wrong. Growth has been good, with the U.S. printing yet another set of better than expected economic data this week. 20 years from now, an investor looking back on the first half of 2023 might find nothing particularly out of place. The economic data was good and surprisingly so, stocks, especially more cyclical ones, outperform bonds.


Yet that straightforward story has happened alongside something more unusual. Across markets, we can observe a capital structure, that is how much investors are expected to earn as the owner of an asset, a company, an office building and so on, relative to being the lender to the asset. The lender should get a lower return since they're taking less risk, and over the last decade, very low borrowing rates have meant that that very much is the case.

But it's been shifting. To varying degrees, the capital structure now looks almost upside down, with high yields on debt relative to more junior exposure, or the yield on the underlying asset. And we see this in several areas.


In U.S. corporates, higher equity valuations have meant that the forward earnings yield for the Russell 1000, at about 4.8%, is now below the yield on US investment grade corporate debt at about 5.5%, and the difference between these two is only been more extreme in about 2% of observations over the last 20 years.


In real estate, yields on debt have risen much faster than capitalization rates, that is the yield on the underlying real estate asset, and that's happened across both commercial and residential segments.


And across leveraged loans and collateralized loan obligations, or CLO's, the so-called CLO ARB, which is the difference between the yield on the CLO loan collateral and the weighted cost of its liabilities, are unusually low. And we've also seen this in the loan market.

For much of the last decade, the economics of borrowing to buy assets has been attractive. As the examples I've mentioned try to show, these economics are changing. Across scenarios where growth stays solid or especially if it slows, we think being the lender to an asset rather than its owner, is now often the better risk/reward.


Thanks for listening. Subscribe to Thoughts on the Market on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen, and leave us a review. We'd love to hear from you.

Jaksot(1515)

Mike Wilson: U.S. Equities - Is the Worst Behind Us?

Mike Wilson: U.S. Equities - Is the Worst Behind Us?

Although economic and earnings data could be gloomy over the next month, have equity markets already discounted the bad news? Detailed analysis from Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson.

30 Maalis 20203min

Andrew Sheets: The Critical Calls of Financial Referees

Andrew Sheets: The Critical Calls of Financial Referees

Governments and central banks face two issues: A flight to liquidity and a global economy that showed signs of fatigue even before the pandemic. For investors seeking opportunities, it’s an important distinction.

27 Maalis 20203min

Special Episode: Can $2 Trillion Flatten the Unemployment Curve?

Special Episode: Can $2 Trillion Flatten the Unemployment Curve?

As a record 3.28 million workers file for unemployment, our Chief U.S. Economist and Chief U.S. Public Policy researcher weigh potential effects from the fiscal package now before Congress.

26 Maalis 20206min

Michael Zezas: Sizing Up the Stimulus Package

Michael Zezas: Sizing Up the Stimulus Package

Congressional leaders have reached a deal on a $2 trillion stimulus bill to deal with fallout from the coronavirus crisis. Will it work? Two criteria to watch for.

25 Maalis 20202min

Mike Wilson: The Underlying Reasons for Recession

Mike Wilson: The Underlying Reasons for Recession

Mike Wilson looks beyond the coronavirus outbreak at the two key conditions which have made the markets vulnerable to a recession.

23 Maalis 20203min

Andrew Sheets: First, Improve on Uncertainty

Andrew Sheets: First, Improve on Uncertainty

On this episode, Chief Cross-Asset Strategist Andrew Sheets says that the 4%+ swings in equities markets have made investors skeptical about jumping back in. More U.S. testing could help.

20 Maalis 20203min

Andrew Sheets: Why We Think Risk/Reward Is Improving

Andrew Sheets: Why We Think Risk/Reward Is Improving

Although the sell-off may not be over and the global economy has tough days ahead, a growing number of factors suggest that risk/reward in markets may be getting better.

19 Maalis 20203min

Special Episode: Imagining the Shape of Recovery

Special Episode: Imagining the Shape of Recovery

As central banks and governments weigh a litany of stimulus efforts, what could the journey to economic recovery look like? Our Chief U.S. Economist and Head of U.S. Public Policy Research sum up the debates.

18 Maalis 20207min

Suosittua kategoriassa Liike-elämä ja talous

sijotuskasti
psykopodiaa-podcast
mimmit-sijoittaa
rss-rahapodi
rss-rahamania
herrasmieshakkerit
ostan-asuntoja-podcast
pari-sanaa-lastensuojelusta
rss-lahtijat
oppimisen-psykologia
lakicast
taloudellinen-mielenrauha
rss-neuvottelija-sami-miettinen
yrittaja
rss-startup-ministerio
rss-myynti-ei-ole-kirosana
hyva-paha-johtaminen
rss-myyntikoulu
rss-karon-grilli
rss-seuraava-potilas