Andrew Sheets: Upgrades and Downgrades in Corporate Credit

Andrew Sheets: Upgrades and Downgrades in Corporate Credit

As the majority of the stress from higher rates falls on weaker borrowers, investors should consider moving up in quality.


----- Transcript -----

Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Andrew Sheets, Global Head of Corporate Credit Research for Morgan Stanley. Along with my colleagues bringing you a variety of perspectives, I'll be talking about trends across the global investment landscape and how we put those ideas together. It's Friday, November 3rd at 2 p.m. in London.

Downgrades in the loan market are moderating after a spike in 2022. That's good news overall, but still suggests an environment that will reward a higher quality bias in high yield investing.


After rising throughout last year, net downgrade activity for U.S. leveraged loans, which represent corporate loans to below investment grade borrowers, have declined about 50%. The most extreme downgrades where issuers fall to a triple C rating, have moderated the most, while triple C upgrades have become more frequent, as companies have successfully refinanced upcoming debt.


Fewer net downgrades, and especially less movement into this riskiest triple C cohort, is good news. And we think it's consistent with the idea that despite a near doubling of borrowing costs over the last two years, default rates will only rise to about average levels and not something higher and more alarming. But within this activity, we think there's also a message, the majority of the stress from those higher rates is falling on weaker borrowers. Investors should look to move up in quality.


Why do we think this? When interest rates rise, the impact on borrowers happens gradually, rather than all at once, since borrowers are still likely to have some debt outstanding that was taken out when rates were lower. That means that today's financial metrics and ratings may still not fully reflect the impact of the unusually fast rise in borrowing costs.


That still to come impact, could fall most heavily on loan issuers rated B3/B-, the last step above the lowest triple C tier. My colleagues Vishwas Patkar and Joyce Jiang of the U.S. Credit Strategy team estimate that by the end of this year, over 1/3 of these issuers could have an interest coverage ratio, which represents the ratio of your cash flow to your borrowing costs, below 1.3x, even if their earnings are flat. In a scenario where growth is even weaker this year, that share would be even higher.


And despite these low single B's facing the most risk from higher borrowing costs, in our view, markets aren't charging a particularly large premium to avoid them. The extra spread that an investor gets from moving down to a B- credit from the notches above, is near the lowest of the last ten years.


And our up and quality bias isn't just about playing defense, as higher rated issuers are generally seeing better ratings transition trends. Double B rated credits are posting more upgrades than downgrades and outperforming lower rated single B's or triple C's. And even higher rated triple B credits are posting an even larger volume of upgrades relative to downgrades over the last 12 months. Ratings actions are stabilizing and suggest extreme outcomes for default rates are likely to be avoided. But given fundamentals and pricing, moving up in quality still makes sense.


Thanks for listening. Subscribe to Thoughts on the Market on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen and leave us a review. We'd love to hear from you.

Jaksot(1510)

Michael Zezas: Indirect Impacts

Michael Zezas: Indirect Impacts

In today’s podcast, Head of U.S. Public Policy strategy Michael Zezas discusses how the great debate playing out in markets around trade is about more than direct impacts.

26 Kesä 20193min

Mike Wilson: Are Markets Putting Stock in Trade?

Mike Wilson: Are Markets Putting Stock in Trade?

With corporate confidence softening, could movement on U.S.-China trade at the G20 be the catalyst for growth in the second half of the year? Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson has analysis.

24 Kesä 20193min

Andrew Sheets: Let’s Say the Fed Cuts Rates in July…

Andrew Sheets: Let’s Say the Fed Cuts Rates in July…

Morgan Stanley's economics team now expects the Fed to cut interest rates by half a percent possibly as soon as July. On today’s podcast, Chief Cross-Asset Strategist Andrew Sheets examines how markets could react.

21 Kesä 20193min

Michael Zezas: Three Possible Trade Paths from the G20

Michael Zezas: Three Possible Trade Paths from the G20

On today’s podcast, Head of U.S. Public Policy strategy Michael Zezas says three likely U.S.-China trade scenarios will come out of the G20. But a tariff pause might be the trickiest for investors.

19 Kesä 20192min

Mike Wilson: How Confident Are U.S. Businesses in the Economy?

Mike Wilson: How Confident Are U.S. Businesses in the Economy?

On today’s episode, Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson shares a readout on the firm’s proprietary Business Conditions Index. Are the data softening more than investors realize?

17 Kesä 20193min

Andrew Sheets: The Dangers of Cheering for Weaker Data

Andrew Sheets: The Dangers of Cheering for Weaker Data

On today’s podcast, Chief Cross-asset Strategist Andrew Sheets provides a bit of historical perspective on the logic of rooting for weaker data and lower interest rates.

14 Kesä 20193min

Michael Zezas: Why ‘Slowbalization’ May Be Feeding Trade Tensions

Michael Zezas: Why ‘Slowbalization’ May Be Feeding Trade Tensions

Head of U.S. Public Policy Michael Zezas says that independent of current trade concerns, the trend toward globalized supply chains is fading, as companies respond both to political and market incentives.

12 Kesä 20193min

Mike Wilson: Why Trade Tensions Are Only Part of the Story

Mike Wilson: Why Trade Tensions Are Only Part of the Story

Investors and media have been hyper-focused on trade and Fed policymaking. But according to Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson, some key economic data points are the real story to watch.

10 Kesä 20193min

Suosittua kategoriassa Liike-elämä ja talous

sijotuskasti
mimmit-sijoittaa
psykopodiaa-podcast
rss-rahapodi
lakicast
herrasmieshakkerit
rss-neuvottelija-sami-miettinen
rss-rahamania
oppimisen-psykologia
pomojen-suusta
rss-lahtijat
ostan-asuntoja-podcast
rss-myyntipodi
rss-startup-ministerio
rss-rahataito-podcast
raharesepti
rss-uskalla-yrittaa
rss-doulapodi
rss-bisnesta-bebeja
rss-metsanomistaja-podcast