RRU 032: "The most important lessons I've learned after a year of working with React" with Tomas Eglinskas

SponsorsKendoUISentry use the code “devchat” for $100 creditTripleByteCacheflyPanelLucas ReisJustin BennettCharles Max WoodJoined by Special Guest: Max DesiatovSummaryMax Desiatov shares his experience transitioning from REST to GraphQL. The panel discusses Max’s migration strategy and other strategies. REST and GraphQL are compared, the problems with both are discussed. The panel shares their favorite things about GraphQL including workflow and data modeling. The solutions for GraphQL problems are discussed and the things the panel would like to see are mentioned. Max Desiatov and Justin Bennett share the different tools they use including Apollo and Graphiql. Charles Max Wood steers the conversation to the adoption of GraphQL by companies.Linkshttps://sailsjs.com/https://graphql.orghttps://spring.io/understanding/HATEOAShttps://www.graphile.org/postgraphile/https://www.apollographql.com/docs/react/https://github.com/expo/apollo-codegenhttps://github.com/graphql/graphiqlhttps://www.apollographql.com/docs/graphql-tools/schema-stitching.htmlhttps://www.apollographql.com/docs/react/essentials/local-state.htmlhttps://desiatov.com/why-graphql/https://desiatov.com/https://twitter.com/maxdesiatovhttps://github.com/maxdesiatovPicksJustin Bennetthttps://renovatebot.com/The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan and Brandon SandersonCharles Max Woodhttps://www.11ty.io/https://devchat.tv/ruby-rogues/rr-383-rbspy-a-newish-ruby-profiler-with-julia-evans/Max Desiatovhttps://nadiaeghbal.comhttps://jvns.ca/blog/2018/09/18/build-impossible-programs/Special Guest: Max Desiatov.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

30 Tammi 20191h 9min

Sponsors KendoUISentry use the code “devchat” for $100 creditTripleByteCachefly Panel Charles Max WoodLucas ReisJustin Bennett Joined by Special Guest: Dave Ceddia Summary Dave Ceddia introduces hooks and what they let you do. The panel discusses how hooks work and how they will clean up the code. Dave explains what react does behind the scenes when hooks are being used. Hooks are simple to use but hard to explain, so the panel asks Dave how he would teach hooks. Dave explains there is a learning hump and shares what trips most developers up. The panel considers the switch from life cycles to effect and the mindset shift it requires.  The difficulties of hooks are explored, such as there are now three ways to share functionality in react components. Dave shares the advantages of using array destructing instead of object destructing. The panel considers how hooks change the react framework and whether it is worth going back and refactoring everything or to refactor as you go. Different migration paths are discussed and the panel gives advice for different company types and sizes. Jokingly the panel contemplates the hype surrounding hooks and suspense. Links https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2DU0qLfPIY&feature=youtu.be&t=2445https://reactjs.org/docs/hooks-faq.html#should-i-use-hooks-classes-or-a-mix-of-bothhttps://english.stackexchange.com/questions/12980/how-to-pronounce-tuplehttps://reactjs.org/blog/2018/11/27/react-16-roadmap.htmlhttps://reactjs.org/docs/hooks-intro.htmlhttps://daveceddia.com/tags/#hookshttps://youtu.be/CpPCJigsPNYhttps://daveceddia.com/https://twitter.com/dceddia Picks Charles Max Wood mastermindhunt.com/devchathttps://devchat.tv/get-a-coder-job/ Lucas Reis https://xstate.js.org/docs/https://github.com/carloslfu/use-machine Justin Bennett https://github.com/zeit/ncchttps://parceljs.org/https://bcrikko.github.io/NES.css/ Dave Ceddia https://codesandbox.io/docs/livehttps://jamesclear.com/atomic-habitsSpecial Guest: Dave Ceddia. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

24 Tammi 201954min

Sponsors KendoUISentry use the code “devchat” for $100 creditTripleByteCacheFly Panel Charles Max WoodNader DabitJC Hiatt Joined by Special Guest: Spencer Miskoviak Summary In this episode, Spencer Miskoviak shares his experience and answers questions about using typescript in React. Spencer starts by answering why react developers tend to use es6 and what the tradeoff is using typescript instead. The panel contemplates the advantages and disadvantages of using typescript and its gaining momentum in the React community. Spencer discusses how they are using typescript at Handshake and how it has paid off. Create react app and its support of typescript is discussed. The episode ends with Spencer answering questions about using dot notation with typescript and how it works. Links https://webpack.js.org/https://parceljs.org/https://medium.com/@skovy/using-component-dot-notation-with-typescript-to-create-a-set-of-components-b0b2aad4892bhttps://app.joinhandshake.com/loginhttps://medium.com/@skovyhttps://twitter.com/SpencerSkovyhttps://github.com/Skovy Picks Nader Dabit https://medium.com/open-graphqlhttps://reinvent.awsevents.com/ JC Hiatt Sony Noise Cancelling Headphones WH1000XM3 Charles Max Wood https://devchat.tv/dev-rev/https://www.garyvaynerchuk.com/podcast/https://player.fm/series/refactor-your-body Spencer Miskoviak http://www.rubberducking.fm/The Future of ReactEndurance: My Year in Space, A Lifetime of Discovery by Scott Kelly Special Guest: Spencer Miskoviak. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

15 Tammi 201944min

Panel: Lucas ReisJustin BennettCharles Max Wood Special Guest: Kent C. Dodds In this episode, the panelist talk with today’s guest, Kent C. Dodds who works for PayPal, is an instructor, and works through open source! Kent lives in Utah with his wife and four children. Kent and the panel talk today about testing – check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:32 – Chuck: Hello! My new show is TheDevRev – please go check it out! 1:35 – Panel: I want all of it! 1:43 – Chuck: Our guest is Kent C. Dodds! You were on the show for a while and then you got busy. 2:06 – Guest.  3:09 – Panel: The kid part is impressive. 3:20 – Guest: Yeah it’s awesome, but the kid part is my wife!  4:09 – Panel: 10 years ago we weren’t having any tests and then now we are thinking about how to write better tests. It’s the next step on that subject. What is your story with tests and what sparked these ideas? 4:50 – Guest. 7:25 – Panel: We have a bunch of tests at my work. “There is no such thing as too many tests” are being said a lot! Then we started talking about unit tests and there was this shift. The tests, for me, felt cumbersome. How do I know that this suite of tests are actually helping me and not hurting me? 8:32 – Guest: I think that is a valuable insight. 11:03 – Panel: What is the make-up of a good test? 11:13 – Guest: Test every line – everything! No. 11:19 – Chuck: “Look at everything!” I don’t know where to start, man! 11:30 – Guest: How do you avoid those false negatives and false positives. 15:38 – Panel: The end user is going to be like more of integration test, and the developer user will be more like a unit tester? 16:01 – Guest: I don’t care too much of the distinction between unit and integration tests. 18:36 – Panel: I have worked in testing in the past. One of the big things that fall on the users’ flow is that it’s difficult b/c maybe a tool like Selenium: when will things render? Are you still testing things in isolation? 19:33 – Guest: It depends. When I talk about UI integration testing I am still mocking the backend. 23:10 – Chuck: I am curious, where do you decide these are expensive (so I don’t want to do too many of them), but at what point is it worth it to do it? 23:30 – Guest mentions the testing pyramid. 28:14 – Chuck: Why do you care about confidence? What is confidence and what does it matter? 28:35 – FreshBooks! 29:50 – Guest. 32:20 – Panel: I have something to add about the testing pyramid. Lucas talks about tooling, Mocha, JS Dong, and more! 33:44 – Guest: I think the testing pyramid is outdated and I have created my own. Guest talks about static testing, LINT, Cypress, and more! 35:32 – Chuck: When I was a new developer, people talked about using tests to track down bugs. What if it’s a hairy bug? 36:07 – Guest: If you can, you can use this methodical approach... 39:46 – Panel: Let’s talk about the React library for a little bit? Panel: Part of the confidence of the tests we write we ask ourselves “will it stand the test of time?” How does the React Testing library go about to solve that? 41:05 – Guest. 47:51 – Panel: A few more questions. When you are getting something and testing and grabbing the label by its text have you found that to be fragile? Is it reasonably reliable? 48:57 – Guest: Yeah this is a concern and it relies on content. 53:06 – Panel: I like this idea of having a different library. Sometimes we think that a powerful tool is better, but after spending some time with other tools that’s not always the case. 54:16 – Guest: “You tie your hands to free your mind.” It does less but what it does less it does better. 55:42 – Panel: I think that with Cypress, too? 55:51 – Guest: Yeah that’s why Cypress is great to use. 57:17 – Panel: I wrote a small library here at work and it deals with metrics. I automated all of those small clicks – write a bit – click a bit – and it was really good. I felt quite efficient. Those became the tests. 57:58 – Panel: One more question: What about react Native? That comes up a lot. At looking at testing libraries we try to keep parody between the two. Do you have any thoughts on that? 58:34 – Guest talks about React Native. 1:00:22 – Panel: Anything else? It’s fascinating to talk about and dive-into these topics. When we talk about confidence that is very powerful, too. 1:01:02 – Panelist asks the last question! 1:01:38 – Guest: You could show them the coverage support. Links: Ruby on RailsAngularJavaScriptElmPhoenixGitHubGet A Coder JobEnzymeReact Testing LibraryCypress.ioHillel WayneTesting JavaScript with Kent C. DoddsKent Dodds’ NewsKent Dodds’ BlogEgghead.io – Kent C. DoddsReady to Write a Novel?Practical TLA+GitHub: Circleci-queueGitHub: sstephenson / batsTodoistDiscordKent’s Twitter Sponsors: Get a Coder JobCache FlyFresh BooksKendo UI  Picks: Lucas Hillel Wayne Practical TLA+ Justin Circle CI QueueBatsTodoists Charles MFCEO Project PodcastThe DevRev Kent Discord Devs Who WriteFinding your Why!TestingJavaScript.com kcd.im/newskcd.i./hooks-and-suspenseNaNoWriMoSpecial Guest: Kent C. Dodds. Advertising InquirieBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

25 Joulu 20181h 16min

Panel: Lucas ReisNader Dabit Special Guest: Radoslav Stankov In this episode, the panelists talk with today’s guest, Radoslav Stankov, who is a senior developer at Product Hunt. The panel and the guest talk about React, jQuery, Backbone, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:31 – Nader: Hello! Our guest today is Radoslav. 4:02 – Nader: What is your role and what are your main responsibilities? 4:10 – Guest answers. 4:39 – Panel: Can you tell us the story of how you started to use React? 4:55 – Guest: We started 4 years ago. The guest answers the question and mentions jQuery and Backbone. 9:01 – Panel: That’s nice – so you are trying to use a simpler application but the React server still need to be separated right? 9:14 – Guest: Yes, we tried to keep it as simple as possible. 10:38 – Panel: How was the adoption of React and how painful was it? You mentioned that you were used Flux and others, so was it messy and complicated for you? Or was it easy for you? 11:15 – Guest: It had its moments. 16:03 – Nader: So what are some of the reasons why you would be messing around with service-side rendering? 16:20 – The guest lists the reasons why they use it. 18:07 – Nader: Interesting. It helps for mobile clients? What do you mean – is it for the people with slower connections? 18:22 – Guest: Yes. The mobile plan can see the page. It can actually see how it’s rendered. 19:53 – Panel: How do you detect that it’s a mobile request from the server? 20:00 – Guest. 31:04 – Panel: We wanted to make it much faster and started using Node and streaming the library. Instead of creating a big string and then sending back to the user we were using the function...It’s super cool. We started using 30% less resources once we’ve deployed. (Wow!) Yeah I know! When you stream then the Node can be smarter and streaming at the same time. 32:03 – Guest. 33:21 – Panel: Interesting thing about the streaming is that we were fetching data after it started. After it was streaming HTML it was already... 38:21 – Nader: We talked about the WEB but you are all using REACT with mobile, too. Can you talk about how your company is using REACT? I know you’ve made things natively, too. 38:40 – Guest: I bit of history first then I will answer the question. 41:29 – Nader: Do you think the changes will happen in the right time to help with your fruition or no? 41:45 – Guest answers. 43:33 – How does the team manage working with all of these technologies? Does everyone have his or her own role? 43:54 – Guest answers. 48:03 – Panel: What are the drawbacks to that? 48:10 – Guest answers. 50:52 – Nader: Anything else? 51:00 – Guest: I think we covered a lot of great topics! Ads: FreshBooks!Get A Coder Job!Cache Fly! Links: Ruby on RailsAngularJavaScriptElmPhoenixGitHubGet A Coder JobReact Round UpGuest’s LinkedInGuest’s GitHubGistIntroducing HooksIdle Until UrgentNader’s Tweet Sponsors: Get a Coder JobCache FlyFresh BooksKendo UI  Picks: Radoslav Getting to know React DOM’s event handling system inside and outReact Fiber ArchitectureReact HooksReact.NotAConf Lucas Idle Until UrgentIntroducing Hooks Nader Writing Custom React Hooks for GraphQLReact Native HooksSpecial Guest: Radoslav Stankov. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

18 Joulu 201841min

Panel: - Lucas Reis- Charles Max Wood- Justin Bennett Special Guest: https://twitter.com/drenther In this episode, the panelists talk with https://github.com/drenther (India) who is a full-stack developer and cybersecurity enthusiast. The panel and the guest talk about design patterns and designing simpler code for clarity and less confusion. Check out today’s episode! Show Topics: 0:00 – https://www.telerik.com/kendo-ui?utm_campaign=kendo-ui-awareness-jsjabber&utm_medium=social-paid&utm_source=devchattv 0:31 – Chuck: Our panelists are and our guest is Soumyajit! Introduce yourself please! Are you doing React on the side? 1:02 – https://twitter.com/drenther I am a master’s student and I am doing freelancing. 1:42 – Panel. 1:49 – Guest. 2:10 – Chuck: I am feeling very up-to-date. Woo! Universities are teaching this and that and they are focused on theory. The flipside is that they are going to write real code for real systems. 3:10 – Panel: I like your well-written blog posts. You talk about design patterns. 3:50 – Guest: The design patterns at the university had to do with real JavaScript applications. 4:09 – Chuck: I am curious you are talking about the design patterns – how can people from React find/use it? 4:45 – Panel: It depends on your definition of design patterns. 5:35 – Lucas: Maybe you are using one or two here and reading through the design patterns is like going through your toolbox. You only need a screwdriver but you bought the whole toolbox. Get familiar with it and from time to time solve problems and thing: what tool can help me here? It’s clear to me with this toolbox analogy. I understand now – that tool I saw 2 months ago could help me. 7:00 – Guest: I have an interesting story with this about design patterns. Let me share! 7:36 – Justin: It was a similar thing but I wasn’t in JavaScript at the time. I’ve used a lot of C++ code. Design patterns became very useful. I saw it the same way Lucas! 9:23 – Justin continues: How and why to use a certain tool. That’s important. 10:28 – Chuck: Okay this is the default pattern and that’s where we can go for the fallback. Here is the fallback if this doesn’t work here or there. 10:49 – Lucas: This is important to remember. It’s not how to use the tool but it’s why am I using this tool here or there? 11:57 – Justin: It’s so much information in general. People get information overload and they have to just start! One of the challenges we do is that we over-engineer things. Do what you need to know. Look it up but play with it. 12:40 – Lucas: It’s interesting by another blog post that you wrote Soumyajit – and you are using a render prop. You showed a problem and showed the solution. 13:30 – Guest: Yeah I’ve written a lot of blog posts about this topic. 13:48 – Panel: Often times – it’s hard for people just to dive-in. People need to see you solving a problem and it really helps with the learning process. 15:03 – Chuck: What patterns do you find most useful? 15:11 – Panel: Functional components have changed my world! 16:23 – Guest: Around these functional components... 17:17 – Panel: I will go with the patterns that are not useful. Don’t make your code pattern-oriented. This is my favorite pattern now and going back to basics. 18:53 – Panelists go back-and-forth. 19:01 – Lucas. 19:41 – Chuck: You talk about over-engineering things and that’s what I found myself doing sometimes with my new project. When I figure out how to make it simpler I get excited and it’s easy to follow. 20:15 – Panel: We celebrate the person who deleted the most lines of code. 20:28 – Panel: I am going to steal that idea. 21:04 – Guest: I have an interesting story of over-engineering something – let me share! 21:53 – https://www.freshbooks.com/?adgroupid=51893696397&campaignid=717543354&crid=285105591548&dv=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4ey45u-T3wIVhCJpCh0fZgOJEAAYASAAEgLXS_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&ntwk=g&ref=ppc-fb&source=GOOGLE&targetid=kwd-298507762065 22:59 – Panel: Building too much is b/c I don’t have a clear understanding of what I am doing. I get excited about problems. What’s the more simple way / most naïve way possible! 24:36 – Lucas: If you are going to change something you will be changing it in several different places. 25:50 – Chuck: When I heard the concept, all the codes that change together should be together. 26:08 – Lucas comments. 26:53 – Panel: Keeping things contained in one place. We have our presentational component and higher-level component, so you can see it all. 28:28 – Lucas: Different people working on different technologies. 29:15 – Panel: Can I break this down to smaller parts, which makes sense to me? 29:48 – Guest: Looking for keywords will cause a distraction. Finding a balance is good. 30:04 – Chuck: If you have a large rile there could be a smaller component that is there own concern. That feels like the real answer to me. It has a lot less than the length of the file versus... Chuck: If I cannot follow it then I need to keep the concept simple. 30:51 – Lucas: The quantity of lines and the line count – I think it’s better how many indentations you have. 32:43 – Guest. 32:48 – Lucas: Yes, so in the horizontal scrolling you have to keep things in your mind. 33:41 – Panel: There are so many different metrics that you can use and the different line count or different characters. There are more scientific terms that we could plugin here. If you have a lot of these abstract relations that can...write it  34:23 – Chuck: So true. 34:52 – Chuck: I want to move onto a different problem so it’s an attention thing for me too. 35:06 – Panel: We have to get okay with not always writing the best code in that it just needs to do what it needs to do. 35:30 – Chuck. 35:57 – Panel: We write it once – then it falls apart and then we write it again and learn from the process. Learning is the key here – you see where it works and where it doesn’t work well. 36:31 – Panel. 36:47 – Chuck mentions service-side rendering. Chuck: Should we schedule another episode? 37:11 – Panel: I think it’s own episode b/c it’s a complex problem overall. 39:33 – Lucas: Try to find memory leaks in the file components and server-side rendering. Where we have lost a lot of sleep and a higher level of complication. Sometimes it’s necessary. 41:42 – Chuck: Yeah let’s do another episode on this topic. Sounds like there is a lot to dive into this topic. Soumyajit, how do people find you? 42:10 – Guest: Twitter and https://github.com/drenther 42:28 – Picks! 42:30 – https://www.digitalocean.com/ End – https://www.cachefly.com Links: - https://rubyonrails.org- https://angular.io/guide/quickstart- https://www.javascript.com- https://elm-lang.org/community- https://phoenixframework.org- https://github.com- https://devchat.tv/get-a-coder-job/- https://reactpatterns.com- https://calibreapp.com- https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/engineering-safer-world- https://muz.li- https://www.amazon.com/Monster-Hunter-International-Second-Hunters-ebook/dp/B00XLQ9PF6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&keywords=monster+hunters+international+series&language=en_US&linkCode=sl1&linkId=8677e2fa9b6c3b5fe9de5c749f826715&qid=1540397018&sr=8-6&tag=devchattv-20- https://github.com/drenther- https://twitter.com/drenther Sponsors: - https://devchat.tv/get-a-coder-job/- https://www.cachefly.com- https://www.freshbooks.com/?adgroupid=53169078638&ag=%257Efreshbooks&camp=US%2528SEM%2529Branded%257CEXM&campaignid=717543354&crid=289653575014&dclid=CPaQ6KX0id4CFUTcwAodvfQEcA&dv=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwr_9ofSJ3gIVyrfACh1DkQVNEAAYASAAEgJIUvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&kw=fresh%2520books&kwid=kwd-299596828929&ntwk=g&ref=ppc-na-fb&source=GOOGLE- https://www.telerik.com/kendo-ui?utm_campaign=kendo-ui-awareness-jsjabber&utm_medium=social-paid&utm_source=devchattv Picks: Justin -Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

11 Joulu 201847min

Panel: Charles Max WoodAaron FrostShai Reznik   Divya SasidharanJoe EamesLucas Reis Special Guest: Sean Merron In this episode, The panelist of React Round-Up, View on Vue, Adventures in Angular, Ruby Rogues, and JavaScript Jabber speak with Sean Merron about Mastermind Groups of Startups and much more. Sean is the founder of today's topic and product “Mastermind Hunt.” This product is design to skillfully find a mastermind to take your business and skills to the next level. Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 3:00 – Webinar announcement January 3rd, 2p EST. 4:10 - Sean talks about the importance of a Mastermind and his evolvement in mastermind groups. Sean breakdowns what exactly what a mastermind is about. 6:10 - Charles ask the panelist if they have engaged in Masterminds. Shai talks about his experience and seeing one-sidedness in Masterminds. Sean talks about how to avoid this issue and staying on track. Sean shares on how to keep the meeting moving forward and meet accountability tasks. 10:10 - Joe asks about examples of chatting on topics with co-workers and how is this different from masterminds. And how to keep topics on track. Sean provides using the round robin method to give each person a chance to bring their needs to the table. Sean talks about how developers share advice and topics in Masterminds. 14:43 -  Charles shares about how this works in using exercise workbooks as a group and who the rotation works for the hot seat. Sean explains that this is used to find others at your same level to help one another. 16:50 - Shai ask about the benefits of mastermind, but how can we integrate higher level issues among a group. Sean shares a story about meeting and benefits of networking in Masterminds. Sean and Chuck continue with the power of networking among these types of groups. 22:00 -  Charles talks about the complexity of personal issues. Shai asks about how to build a mastermind. Sean gives examples of formats and schedule, number of people, and how to conduct successfully. Sean gives examples of technologies to use to help conduct masterminds, like Facebook groups, Skype, Zoom.  Sean explains how this led to building  mastermindhunt.com 27:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 27:00 -  Charles talks about how he did a lunch meetup as a mastermind. Lucas gives examples of guilds in his job. Lucas explains the guilds and how this works among the software development team. Lucas shares about presenting in a guild. Lucas says this is great for accountability and success. 30:00 -  Sean asks about the size or how many people are in the guild. Lucas mentions that if you do not understand something, bring it to the guild. Sean mentions how this could help shy people and build trust. Sean talks about “Friend D A” 34:00 -  Charles again talks about that BrownBag lunch mastermind. Charles talks about how to keep masterminds on track and not a chatfest. Joe asks about the accountability goals. Sean talks about how this works in Mastermind Hunt.  Sean gives examples of how to keep people accountable in fun ways. 37:00 -  Shai talks about having to shave his head when he was not meeting accountability goals.  Sean continues about respecting people’s time and keeping on topic with hot seat questions. 39:00 -  Shai asks about how to approach people who are not meeting goals and take-up to much time. Sean says the person with the best relationship should approach the person before they have to bump them out of the mastermind spot. 42:00 - Charles talks about EntreProgrammers as a mastermind and the freeform style of the format. Charles talks about leaving the group if it is not meeting your value needs. 44:00 - Sean talks about the introduction and application programs to enter into a mastermind. Lucas talks about diminishing quality of a mastermind, and how he raised the quality of engaging in a way that heightens the program. Sean shares more aobuu the initial attitude of the person who starts the meeting. 49:00 -  Divya ask about those who are not hitting their goals, but how do you keep them engaged without leaving the group. Sean mentions breaking down the goals or create achievable goals. Sean talks about figuring out the organization and finding where the issues are at that might be the problem to hitting goals. 51:00 - Divya ask about how enthusiasm can diminish about how to keep that from happening in masterminds. Sean says you have to be consistent with your goals and make it fun. 55:00 - Shai gives a quick recap of masterminds. Shai ask about how to rotate the hot seat. Sean give a webinar link for mastermindhunt.com/devchat on January 3rd, 2pm EST. 57:30 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 30-day free trial! END – Advertisement – Cache Fly! Links: Sean’s Twitter2frugaldudes  podcastSean’s LinkedInmastermindhunt.commastermindhunt.com/devchat Sponsors: Angular Boot CampFresh BooksGet a Coder Job CourseCache Fly Picks: Shai Bob Proctor Joe  CoolstuffincluxorNG Conf Minified Lucas Radical Candor Divya Alan WattsFramework Summit Videos Several Short Sentence about Writing Charles CES - devchat.tv/eventsModern Medicine Sean (757) Area CodeRevolutionConf.comSpecial Guest: Sean Merron. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

4 Joulu 20181h 9min

Panel: Nader DabitLucas ReisCharles Max Wood Special Guests: Ben Nelson In this episode, the panelists talk with Ben Nelson who is a co-founder and CTO of Lambda School. The panelists and Ben talk about Lambda School, the pros & cons of the 4-year university program for developers, and much more. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:33 – Chuck: We have Nader, Lucas, and myself – our special gust is Ben Nelson! 0:50 – Guest: Hi! 0:54 – Chuck: Please introduce yourself. 0:58 – Guest: I love to ski and was a developer in the Utah area. 1:12 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Lambda School, but I think explaining what the school is and how you operate will help. Give us an elevator pitch for the school. 1:36 – Guest: The school is 30-weeks long and we go deep into computer fundamentals. They get exposed to multiple stacks. Since it’s 30-weeks to run we help with the finances by they start paying once they get employed. It’s online and students from U.S. and the U.K. 3:23 – Chuck: I don’t want you to badmouth DevMountain, great model, but I don’t know if it works for everyone? 3:43 – Guest: Three months part-time is really hard if you don’t have a technical background. It was a grind and hard for the students. 4:03 – Nader: Is it online or any part in-person. 4:11 – Guest: Yep totally online. 4:40 – Nader: Austen Allred is really, really good at being in the social scene. I know that he has mentioned that you are apart of...since 2017? 5:20 – Guest: Yeah you would be surprised how much Twitter has helped our school. He is the other co-founder and is a genius with social media platforms! 6:04 – Guest mentions Python, marketing, and building a following. 7:17 – Guest: We saw a lot of students who wanted to enroll but they couldn’t afford it. This gave us the idea to help with using the income share agreement. 8:06 – Nader: Yeah, that’s really cool. I didn’t know you were online only so now that makes sense. Do you have other plans for the company? 8:33 – Guest: Amazon started with books and then branched out; same thing for us. 8:56 – Chuck: Let’s talk about programming and what’s your placement rate right now? 9:05 – Guest: It fluctuates. Our incentive is we don’t get paid unless our students get employed. Our first couple classes were 83% and then later in the mid-60%s and it’s averaging around there. Our goal is 90% in 90 days. Guest continues: All boot camps aren’t the same. 10:55 – Lucas: Ben, I have a question. One thing we have a concern about is that universities are disconnected with the CURRENT market! 11:47 – Guest: We cannot compare to the 4-year system, but our strength we don’t have tenure track Ph.D. professors. Our instructors have been working hands-on for a while. They are experienced engineers. We make sure the instructors we hire are involved and passionate. We pay for them to go to conferences and we want them to be on the cutting-edge. We feel like we can compete to CS degrees b/c of the focused training that we offer. 13:16 – Chuck: Yeah, when I went to school there were only 2 professors that came from the field. 14:22 – Guest: Yeah, look at MIT. When I was studying CS in school my best professor was adjunct b/c he came from the field. I don’t know if the 4-year plan is always the best. I don’t want to shoot down higher education but you have to consider what’s best for you. 15:05 – Nader: It’s spread out across the different fields. It was a model that was created a long time ago, and isn’t always the best necessarily for computer science. Think about our field b/c things are moving so fast.  15:57 – Chuck: What you are saying, Nader, but 10 years ago this iPhone was a brand new thing, and now we are talking about a zillion different devices that you can write for. It’s crazy. That’s where we are seeing things change – the fundamentals are good – but they aren’t teaching you at that level. Hello – it’s not the ‘90s anymore! I wonder if my bias comes from boot camp grads were really motivated in the first place...and they want to make a change and make a career out of it. 17:34 – Chuck: There is value, but I don’t know if my CS major prepared me well for the job market. 17:42 – Guest: Probably you didn’t have much student loan debt being that you went to Utah. 17:58 – Nader: Why is that? 18:03 – Chuck talks about UT’s tuition and how he worked while attending college. 18:29 – Lucas: I don’t stop studying. The fundamentals aren’t bad to keep studying them. Putting you into a job first should be top priority and then dive into the fundamentals. Work knowledge is so important – after you are working for 1 year – then figure out what the fundamentals are. I think I learn better the “other way around.” 20:30 – Chuck: That’s fair. 20:45 – Guest: That’s exactly what we focus on. The guest talks about the general curriculum at the Lambda School 22:07 – Nader: That’s an interesting take on that. When you frame it that way – there is no comparison when considering the student loan debt. 22:30 – Chuck: College degrees do have a place, too. 22:39 – Chuck: Who do you see applying to the boot camps? 23:05 – Guest: It’s a mix. It’s concentrated on people who started in another career and they want to make a career change. Say they come from construction or finances and they are switching to developing. We get some college students, but it’s definitely more adult training. 24:02 – Guest: The older people who have families they are desperate and they are hungry and want to work hard. We had this guy who was making $20,000 and now he’s making $85K. Now his daughter can have his own bedroom and crying through that statement. 24:50 – Chuck: That makes sense! 24:52 – Advertisement – FRESH BOOKS! 26:02 – Guest: Look at MIT, Berkeley – the value is filtering and they are only accepting the top of the top. We don’t want to operate like that. We just have to hire new teachers and not build new buildings. We raise the bar and set the standard – and try to get everybody to that bar. We aren’t sacrificing quality but want everybody there. 27:43 – Chuck: What are the tradeoffs? 28:00 – Guest: There is an energy in-person that happens that you miss out on doing it online. There are a lot of benefits, though, doing it online. They have access to a larger audience via the web, they can re-watch videos that teachers record. 28:45 – Nader: Is there a set curriculum that everyone uses? How do you come up with the curriculum and how often does it get revamped? What are you teaching currently? 29:08 – Guest answers the question in-detail. 30:49 – Guest (continues): Heavily project-focused, too! 31:08 – Nader: What happens when they start and if they dropout? 31:22 – Guest: When we first got started we thought it was going to be high dropout rates. At first it was 40% b/c it’s hard, you can close your computer, and walk away. If a student doesn’t score 80% or higher in the week then they have to do it again. Our dropout rate is only 5-10%. In the beginning they have a grace period of 2-4 weeks where they wouldn’t owe anything. After a certain point, though, they are bound to pay per our agreements. 33:00 – Chuck: Where do people get stuck? 33:05 – Guest: Redux, React, and others! Maybe an instructor isn’t doing a good job. 34:06 – Guest: It’s intense and so we have to provide emotional support. 34:17 – Nader: I started a school year and I ran it for 1-3 years and didn’t go anywhere. We did PHP and Angular 1 and a little React Native. We never were able to get the numbers to come, and we’d only have 3-4 people. I think the problem was we were in Mississippi and scaling it is not an easy thing to do. This could be different if you were in NY. But if you are virtual that is a good take. Question: What hurdles did you have to overcome? 35:52 – Guest: There was a lot of experimentation. Dropout rates were a big one, and the other one is growth. One problem that needed to be solved first was: Is there a demand for this? Reddit helped and SubReddit. For the dropout rates we had to drive home the concept of accountability. There are tons of hands-on help from TA’s, there is accountability with attendance, and homework and grades. We want them to know that they are noticed and we are checking-in on them if they were to miss class, etc. 38:41 – Chuck: I know your instructor, Luis among others. I know they used to work for DevMountain. How do you find these folks? 39:15 – Guest: A lot of it is through the network, but now Twitter, too. 40:13 – Nader: I am always amazed with the developers that come out of UT. 40:28 – Chuck: It’s interesting and we are seeing companies coming out here. 40:50 – Guest: Something we were concerned about was placement as it relates to geography. So someone that is in North Dakota – would they get a job. The people in the ruralBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

27 Marras 201852min