
Why The Intent-Centric Future Is Extremely Promising with Anoma
Our first interview with Adrian was probably in 2020 or 2021 at a conference, so it was a pleasure to catch up with him again. This time, we are diving into a fresh take on some key themes in onchain development that are worth paying attention to. Adrian, who has been in the trenches of crypto development since 2016, gives us some deep insights into intent-based systems, how they compare to traditional transaction models, and why privacy is more essential than ever. We have been learning about intents for some time already, but this podcast further strengthened our thesis that intents are here to stay and will likely become the de facto way people interact onchain. In this piece, we explore how Anomaâs architecture is addressing major challenges like privacy and the inefficiencies of global consensus. What stands out is the shift from transaction execution to defining intents, giving users more control over how and when their state transitions are settled. Youâll also learn about the value of user-centric chains, where state is only shared when necessary, and why Adrian believes that localized state and privacy-preserving actions are going to be key in the future of crypto. Nomadaâs launch, in particular, brings this to life by providing asset-agnostic privacy solutions for DeFi users who are already concerned about onchain privacy. The majority of the conversation was centered around intents, but we did discuss Namada at the end. Hope you enjoy. Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.
26 Syys 20241h 7min

Appchains Vs. L1s: What is Crypto's Endgame? With Illia Polosukhin
One of our favorite pods as we were able to tackle two birds with one stone, the appchains vs. sharded L1s debate as well as key insights into the state of AI from Illia Polosukhin. The key questions we discussed is whether apps should continue to rely on shared, sharded chains, like NEAR, or if thereâs a stronger case for each app eventually becoming its own chain. This raises important considerations around sovereignty, composability, and scalability. At the core of this discussion is the idea that users want more control over their assets and a seamless, composable experience across different platforms. While singlechain solutions like OP Stack Chains or Cosmos SDK offer some flexibility, they often face significant scalability and interoperability challenges. This is where sharding, especially in protocols like Near, can provide a more scalable solution without sacrificing user experience. Their recent advancements, such as Chain Signatures and Nightshade V2, are paving the way for more efficient scaling. But, isn't this the same thing? Where do you draw the line between apps sharing global state vs. composability and sovereignty? What about customizability? For the first half of the pod, Andy and Illia went back and forth debating the tradeoffs of appchains vs. sharded L1s, and ended up on common ground. Then, for the second half Robbie, Andy, and Illia discussed the rise of user-owned AI. They discussed how the role of AI is becoming increasingly relevant in the blockchain space. The concept of "user-owned AI" is emerging, where AI tools could help reduce the complexity of building and maintaining infrastructure while giving users more control over their interactions. This shift towards AI could also play a significant role in improving security through formal verification, ensuring that smart contracts and protocols are more resilient against vulnerabilities. We had the chance to ask Illia a ton of questions about his vision for AI going forward and were pleasantly surprised. Very fun conversation starting off more technical and ending into more of the philosophical side with an focus on the evolution of AI. Enjoy! Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.
25 Syys 202457min

Why Blockchains Are Crucial For The Evolution of AI with Sreeram Kannan
In Singapore, Andy sat down with Sreeram Kannan to learn why he believes the crossover of AI and crypto is extremely important, and how he sees this trend developing in the future. They discussed AI as a coordination mechanism, where the importance of decentralization comes in, and why Sreeram believes we are at a crucial point in time for the evolution of AI.
25 Syys 20249min

Why Treasure Left Arbitrum To Build Their New Chain on ZK Sync
While in Singapore this week, Andy found time to interview Karel Vuong about the "public breakup" of TreasureDAO with Arbitrum. What grants did ZK Sync offer? Is Treasure grants hopping? Why does Treasure want their own chain? What does this mean for the community? We left no stone unturned and gave Karel a platform to clear the air.
23 Syys 202421min

Why Liquid Funds Have An Edge over VCs
Today's episode with Zaheer from Split Capital, we dive into the nuanced strategies of running a liquid fund in this ever-evolving crypto market. With the introduction of Bitcoin ETFs and institutional investors gaining more influence, the market's dynamics have become more complex and less predictable. Zaheer walks us through how Split Capital adapts to shifts in market conditions and why understanding the current landscape is crucial for anyone serious about crypto investing. We explore his investment style, which emphasizes flexibility and a regime-agnostic approach, and what Zaheerâs take on credit expansion, which he cites as a critical factor limiting crypto asset growth. We also discuss DeFiâs trajectory from 2020âs lofty ambitions to a more mature, regulatory-focused application, and why creating robust monetary systems remains the most compelling use case in crypto. Zaheer doesn't sugarcoat the reality for retail traders in this space, especially as the market becomes more professional and dominated by institutions. For those interested in the bigger picture, he outlines why Ethereum's so-called "identity crisis" isnât as catastrophic as some might think and how human coordination could ultimately triumph over infighting and dogma. This conversation is packed with insights into the current market cycle, the role of credit, and the importance of building a strategy based on conviction rather than hype. Enjoy! đȘđČ đđżđ đŒđđż đŻđČđđ đđŒ đœđżđŒđ±đđ°đČ đ”đ¶đŽđ”-đŸđđźđčđ¶đđ, đ»đŒđ»-đŻđ¶đźđđČđ±, đČđ±đđ°đźđđ¶đŒđ»đźđč đ°đŒđ»đđČđ»đ đłđŒđż đđ”đČ đ°đżđđœđđŒ đČđ°đŒđđđđđČđș. đŠđđœđœđŒđżđ đđ đđ”đ¶đčđČ đčđČđźđżđ»đ¶đ»đŽ đșđŒđżđČ đźđŻđŒđđ đ¶đșđœđŒđżđđźđ»đ đ°đŒđ»đ°đČđœđđ đŻđ đ°đčđ¶đ°đžđ¶đ»đŽ đźđ»đ đŒđł đđ”đČ đčđ¶đ»đžđ đŻđČđčđŒđ đłđŒđż đłđżđČđČ đżđČđđŒđđżđ°đČđ: Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.
20 Syys 202459min

ZKVMs vs. ZK Circuits: A Spicy Debate
Today, we get to moderate a debate thatâs been brewing in the ZK-space: ZKVMs or custom ZK circuits? ZKVMs have been pivotal in getting projects up and running quickly. They lower technical barriers by making zero-knowledge proofs accessible to more developers. But as applications mature, thereâs a growing question: do you stick with the flexibility of ZKVMs, or do you shift toward building custom ZK circuits for that extra boost in efficiency and performance? In this episode, weâll unpack what makes each approach unique. Weâll explore the pros and cons of using a generalizable ZKVM, the impact of custom circuit development, and how these choices affect everything from developer experience to security audits. The goal of this debate is understanding the trade-offs and how ZK fits into your projectâs long-term vision. Whether youâre building a new DeFi protocol, optimizing your existing stack, or just curious about where ZK tech is headed, this discussion offers plenty of ideas about implementing ZK and how to do it. Now, letâs get into the nuts and bolts of ZK. Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.
19 Syys 202458min

The Future of Bitcoin with Jeff Garzik
After working with Satoshi in the early years, and almost 15 years of crypto experience, legend Jeff Garzik shares his story in this exclusive interview. Recently, we did an educational deep dive into several teams working on extending Bitcoin with innovative mechanism designs and Bitcoin L2s on Bitcoin and Beyond. This conversation is a phenomenal next episode in that series. Today, Hemi is attempting to unify Bitcoin and Ethereum. A Bitcoin L2 with customizations to more deeply integrate the top two blockchain ecosystems; Hemi is based on two core innovations: the hVM incorporates new byte codes into the EVM that talk directly to Bitcoin, and Proof of Proof (PoP) consensus which allows Hemi to achieve "superfinality" on Bitcoin. The Bitcoin and Ethereum communities have long been at odds debating the true purpose of cryptocurrency, and best design principles to bring about mass adoption. Jeff calls Bitcoin the "root of the crypto tree" and Ethereum "the grand central station of crypto". With Hemi technology, its possible to unite the two blockchains and maybe the two communities once and for all. Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.
18 Syys 20241h 13min

The Based Rollup Stack with Spire Labs
Today, we're unraveling the concept of "based rollups" with The Based Stack from Spire Labs. Spire's framework for building "based appchains" is designed to utilize Ethereum's base layer while offering a whole new level of flexibility and control. At the heart of Spire's offering is the idea of customizable composability. They've developed a way for app developers to decide exactly how their chains interact with Ethereumâs state, which could be a gamechanger for optimizing onchain applications. Spire has developed a modular framework to customize sequencing, deeply optimizing the appchain sequencer. We'll break down Spireâs approach to Ethereum alignment but also how based rollups open up new possibilities for cutting costs and improving user experience. Plus, Spire's focus on real-time state access brings back smooth, interconnected feel of the DeFi Summer era on Ethereum. We cover everything from the nuances of Ethereum's sequencer election mechanism to the role of pre-confirmations in shaping user interactions. Let's explore what makes Spire stand out in the current rollup landscape and why it might just be the approach developers have been waiting for. Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl đđđŠđđđđđ đđ„: đđŻđ·đŠđŽđ”đȘđŻđš đȘđŻ đ€đłđșđ±đ”đ°đ€đ¶đłđłđŠđŻđ€đș đąđŻđ„ đđŠđđȘ đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđźđŽ đ€đ°đźđŠđŽ đžđȘđ”đ© đȘđŻđ©đŠđłđŠđŻđ” đłđȘđŽđŹđŽ đȘđŻđ€đđ¶đ„đȘđŻđš đ”đŠđ€đ©đŻđȘđ€đąđ đłđȘđŽđŹ, đ©đ¶đźđąđŻ đŠđłđłđ°đł, đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź đ§đąđȘđđ¶đłđŠ đąđŻđ„ đźđ°đłđŠ. đđ” đ€đŠđłđ”đąđȘđŻ đ±đ°đȘđŻđ”đŽ đ”đ©đłđ°đ¶đšđ©đ°đ¶đ” đ”đ©đȘđŽ đ€đ©đąđŻđŻđŠđ, đžđŠ đźđąđș đŠđąđłđŻ đą đ€đ°đźđźđȘđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻ đ°đł đ§đŠđŠ đąđŽ đą đŽđ±đ°đŻđŽđ°đłđŽđ©đȘđ±, đȘđ§ đ”đ©đȘđŽ đȘđŽ đ”đ©đŠ đ€đąđŽđŠ đžđŠ đžđȘđđ đąđđžđąđșđŽ đźđąđŹđŠ đŽđ¶đłđŠ đȘđ” đȘđŽ đ€đđŠđąđł. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŽđ”đłđȘđ€đ”đđș đąđŻ đŠđ„đ¶đ€đąđ”đȘđ°đŻđąđ đ€đ°đŻđ”đŠđŻđ” đ±đđąđ”đ§đ°đłđź, đŻđ°đ”đ©đȘđŻđš đžđŠ đ°đ§đ§đŠđł đȘđŽ đ§đȘđŻđąđŻđ€đȘđąđ đąđ„đ·đȘđ€đŠ. đđŠ đąđłđŠ đŻđ°đ” đ±đłđ°đ§đŠđŽđŽđȘđ°đŻđąđđŽ đ°đł đđȘđ€đŠđŻđŽđŠđ„ đąđ„đ·đȘđŽđ°đłđŽ.
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