DeFi by Design EP ๐Ÿ’ฏ: The Ultimate Cross-Chain API w Philipp Zentner CEO of Li.Fi
The Rollup6 Heinรค 2023

DeFi by Design EP ๐Ÿ’ฏ: The Ultimate Cross-Chain API w Philipp Zentner CEO of Li.Fi


Todayโ€™s episode with Philipp shows the ultimate power of blockchain interop. When projects come together and combine tech it allows everyone to specialize, and divide and conquer. This is something Li.Fi does best. They were able to partner their way to promiseland because it โ€œrolls upโ€ every bridge into one beautiful user experience. Any time you need to bridge or swap, check Li.Fi to see which bridge is fastest and cheapest. Philipp also shares his story about Li.Fi growth, the birth of Jumper, the massive fundraising tour, and surviving market conditions to thrive in the best of times. Thank you to Philipp and Li.Fi for this phenomenal episode, and thank you to all our sponsors and 99 previous guests on DeFi by Design.


๐—ช๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ฟ๐˜† ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ฝ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ฑ๐˜‚๐—ฐ๐—ฒ ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ต-๐—พ๐˜‚๐—ฎ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜๐˜†, ๐—ป๐—ผ๐—ป-๐—ฏ๐—ถ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐—ฒ๐—ฑ, ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ๐˜‚๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜ ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ฐ๐—ฟ๐˜†๐—ฝ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ฒ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜†๐˜€๐˜๐—ฒ๐—บ. ๐—ฆ๐˜‚๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐˜ ๐˜‚๐˜€ ๐˜„๐—ต๐—ถ๐—น๐—ฒ ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ป๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—บ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐˜ ๐—ถ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ป๐˜ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐—ฝ๐˜๐˜€ ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ฐ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ธ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐˜† ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ๐˜€ ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐—ณ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐˜€:

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Modular March EP 11: Permissionless Interoperability for the Modular Future

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Modular March EP 10: Endless Modular Application Possibilities with Lagrange

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Where Lava Network Fits in The Modular Thesis

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Modular March Episode 6: Modular Security with Movement Labs

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